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Can Bandstand be replaced by Kontact (as a VST plugin?) in BIAB? Will Kontakt work?
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Most VStis will work, there are a few with timing issue that do not work inside RB, and BiaB. But i would bet Kontact will work, but it might suffer from the difficultlies that bandstand has. I had better sucess with sampletank.
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How about the quality of SampleTank? Any remarks, pls. And yes, I have problems with BandStand as a plug-in, altho it works best as a stand-alone. Quote:
Most VStis will work, there are a few with timing issue that do not work inside RB, and BiaB. But i would bet Kontact will work, but it might suffer from the difficultlies that bandstand has. I had better sucess with sampletank.
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I have heard some folks put Sampletank down, but i have owned both the free versions 1 and 2 so far and really liked the sounds, especially the piano, and such.
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Hi
i hope you don`t mind me saying that when BIAB was first developed it was built round the creative AWE soundcard and it even had a AWE editor within the software so really BIAB still runs the best with a GM based sound card or a GM based softsynth and now the GM based SD2 hardware module
You can use any of these modern samplers or Romplersor what ever they may be called but the work level increases so much its not worth it i have just been trying for the past week to get Kontact 2 with garrin BB&JB to work and i have had not a lot of luck it will play the backing tracks ok but will not play the melody and the soloist tracks with out problems if you have the patiece and the time you may get it to work ok but i got fed up and packed it in
it is so simple with a GM based sounds that you just load your tune and press play and then the next and so on with Kontact you have to set each tune up every time which to me is a pain and to me the SD2 is better sounding then most if you don`t have the ability to program these new software programs like Kontact to make them sound better then the SD2
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Have you tried loading up Kontakt / Kontakt Player in standalone mode and using a virtual midi cable to link them. After that, it's just a question of assigning bass to channel 2, piano to 3 etc and, if memory serves, soloist to 7 and melody to 4 (but I might be mistaken with that as I'm not at my music PC just now. The Virtual Midi route is much more stable than using Kontakt as a VSTi.
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I recently bought Cakewalks MC5 entry level product for $39 at best buy. It came with Rolands TTS, and i really like that GM mod as it is a huge upgrade over VSC. It seems to work flawlessly in Rb, and i will try it in BiaB over the weekend. Plus the package also has Cakes new sound center, a lite version of Dimension Pro na Rature bundled with 150 instruments, and Studio Drums a very decent GM drum mod.
These alone make it worth the $39!!
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Virtual Midi cable.. now thats something i have heard but never to figure out how the thing is set up. Thanks for this idea.. Just a point of clarification, when we make a "render to wav" file, does this virtual midi cable setup produce a result as if BIAB was using the Roland VSC Dxi? What software of VMC can you recommend? thanks. Quote:
Dave
Have you tried loading up Kontakt / Kontakt Player in standalone mode and using a virtual midi cable to link them. After that, it's just a question of assigning bass to channel 2, piano to 3 etc and, if memory serves, soloist to 7 and melody to 4 (but I might be mistaken with that as I'm not at my music PC just now. The Virtual Midi route is much more stable than using Kontakt as a VSTi.
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Hi Brian
Thanks for your reply,i have got most of the samplers and romplers and all of them more or less work,i always thought that VSampler was one of the best as it had its own virtchal midi cable, and in the last few month i have had many problems,like at the moment i seem to have quite bad distortion on garritan BB&JB and GPO and i had to clear samplers like Sampletank 2 and sonic synths 2 to give me room for Realtracks,so for me SD2 does everything i want
there is something wrong with my system as so many little things are going wrong and even SD2 is not sounding as good as it was,so what it is i have no idea,i`m not against using Kontact and such like but at the moment nothing is working properly, thanks for your reply
regards Dave Hoskins
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Im hoping anybody with experience can comment on this. Just a point of clarification, when we make a "render to wav" file, does this virtual midi cable setup produce a result as if BIAB was using the Roland VSC Dxi? Quote:
Hi Brian
Thanks for your reply,i have got most of the samplers and romplers and all of them more or less work,i always thought that VSampler was one of the best as it had its own virtchal midi cable, and in the last few month i have had many problems,like at the moment i seem to have quite bad distortion on garritan BB&JB and GPO and i had to clear samplers like Sampletank 2 and sonic synths 2 to give me room for Realtracks,so for me SD2 does everything i want
there is something wrong with my system as so many little things are going wrong and even SD2 is not sounding as good as it was,so what it is i have no idea,i`m not against using Kontact and such like but at the moment nothing is working properly, thanks for your reply
regards Dave Hoskins
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Automatic Rendering is done by the chosen DXi synth and to my knowledge will always have to use the sounds within that one DXi synth. Never tried it with Virtual MIDI Cable softwares or the like, but I doubt that can do the job anyway.
Your best bet would be to Record the output of your soundcard to Line Input, or if your card supports it, via recording the Direct Out Monitoring, sometimes called "What U Hear" or "Stereo Mix" or "Stereo Wav" from beginning to end of playback, onto an Audio track. Just as when using hardware MIDI synths.
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It would be so much easier to use Real Band or something similar if you wanted to do this with other DXi / VSTis ...
Brian
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