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"The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side."
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It clearly states music BUSINESS, not music itself, so I'm fine with it  You could easily change the words music business for banking business, insurance business or politics and it's still the truth
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Actually, I was hired, trained by Merril Lynch in 1969. Left for training in NYC (from Merril's first suburban office in Evanston, Il. Having managed a construction trade association for eight years, it was a rude awakening to world of finance and shennanigans on Wall Street and beyond. I passed the securities, commodities and options (something just being discoved by the smallish investment public. It was the beginning of an eye-opening, fifteen-year journey through the walls of just about every major brokerage house....Merril, Paine Weber, Hornblower, Steifel Nicolaus, HB Shane, Dominick & Dominick, Gilford....I probably missed a few...but most of these "churn 'em and burn 'em prestigious houses were mired in greed, unethical conduct and front-running... Won't get into details here, but as the tune goes..."If they asked me...I could write a book. Music Biz has its goons, freeloaders, attorney/sharks, etc., but nothing compares with the financial world. I remember hiring a Greek kid just out of Harvard Business School...1987...his first real job for a brokerage house and he was...and is...a multi-millionaire owner of one of the most notoriously rich hedge funds on the street. Ol' Jimmy Chanos....look him up on Wikapedia...he floated like a butterfly and stung like a bee...you see, in this stock biz we ALWAYS eat our own....He has been instrumental in sending many a corporation, multi-million dollar firms in and out of the financial industry, down to their knees and catching fire as they faded in a blaze of inglorius glory. Jimmy liked to short companies that were in favor with the big brokerage houses. He broke the back of many, like Bache in the Biz...and Baldwin United, Coleco Computers (Cabbage Patch Doll), and scores of other public and private companies...didn't mean diddly-shit to the movers and shakers on Wall Street. If you were in their sights, or they were in someone elses sights...the end result was...You'll Get Yours too, someday!!!...make no mistake about it!!! The disaster of the last two years is just a small ripple as to what's coming down the "money trail", over the next few years. Fasten your saftybelts and enjoy the "End Times"!! The American populace is hip to what's goin' on finally!! O'Bama & Co. love it!! Socialism...Communism...Revolution...HERE WE COME, BABY. Pardon me whilst I field strip and oil up my Walther PPKS!!! Meanwhile...let's play musical chairs....it's sooo much fun..and the banging together is just "childs play" comparitively speaking!!!   
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O'Bama & Co. love it!!
Socialism...Communism...Revolution...HERE WE COME, BABY. Pardon me whilst I field strip and oil up my Walther PPKS!!!
Okay, maybe I'm not the only one who doesn't understand what you actually mean by your post.
Finance and shenanigans = bad, yeah?
Walther PPKS = good?
Interesting to read what you noted, but you ended it with comments that befuddle me.
Care to clarify?
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The Mayans predicted 2012 to be the end of 'life as we know it' (to misquote Dr 'Bones' McCoy from Star Trek). There are some that interpret predictions from Nostradamus to the same year. I see this kind of stuff appearing on both the History channel and National Geographic.
Personally, I have plans for 2013...
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It clearly states music BUSINESS, not music itself, so I'm fine with it
Well, yes you could substitute the phrase "music business", but it was really "TV business" in the original. If you read page 2 of the link I posted, you would find...
Hunter S. Thompson wrote a book called "Generation of Swine: Tales of Shame and Degradation in the '80s" (New York: Summit Books, 1988). On page 43, he had written:
"The TV business is uglier than most things. It is normally perceived as some kind of cruel and shallow money trench through the heart of the journalism industry, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free and good men die like dogs, for no good reason."
Also, notice the "negative side" tag line isn't there.
I didn't post that to be nit-picky, just to keep from perpetuating the wrong quote. This did come up on the forum once before.
Like I said earlier, still a great line, though...
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"There's also a negative side" has no founding in the original either...
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Just out of curiosity, has anyone else here read any HS Thompson?
Sometimes his lines developed through several books..or articles.
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Actually, I was hired, trained by Merril Lynch in 1969. Left for training in NYC (from Merril's first suburban office in Evanston, Il. Having managed a construction trade association for eight years, it was a rude awakening to world of finance and shennanigans on Wall Street and beyond. I passed the securities, commodities and options (something just being discoved by the smallish investment public. It was the beginning of an eye-opening, fifteen-year journey through the walls of just about every major brokerage house....Merril, Paine Weber, Hornblower, Steifel Nicolaus, HB Shane, Dominick & Dominick, Gilford....I probably missed a few...but most of these "churn 'em and burn 'em prestigious houses were mired in greed, unethical conduct and front-running...
Won't get into details here, but as the tune goes..."If they asked me...I could write a book.
Music Biz has its goons, freeloaders, attorney/sharks, etc., but nothing compares with the financial world.
I remember hiring a Greek kid just out of Harvard Business School...1987...his first real job for a brokerage house and he was...and is...a multi-millionaire owner of one of the most notoriously rich hedge funds on the street.
Ol' Jimmy Chanos....look him up on Wikapedia...he floated like a butterfly and stung like a bee...you see, in this stock biz we ALWAYS eat our own....He has been instrumental in sending many a corporation, multi-million dollar firms in and out of the financial industry, down to their knees and catching fire as they faded in a blaze of inglorius glory. Jimmy liked to short companies that were in favor with the big brokerage houses. He broke the back of many, like Bache in the Biz...and Baldwin United, Coleco Computers (Cabbage Patch Doll), and scores of other public and private companies...didn't mean diddly-shit to the movers and shakers on Wall Street.
If you were in their sights, or they were in someone elses sights...the end result was...You'll Get Yours too, someday!!!...make no mistake about it!!!
The disaster of the last two years is just a small ripple as to what's coming down the "money trail", over the next few years. Fasten your saftybelts and enjoy the "End Times"!! The American populace is hip to what's goin' on finally!! O'Bama & Co. love it!!
Socialism...Communism...Revolution...HERE WE COME, BABY. Pardon me whilst I field strip and oil up my Walther PPKS!!!
Meanwhile...let's play musical chairs....it's sooo much fun..and the banging together is just "childs play" comparitively speaking!!!
Surely not!!!!! And here I've been told repeatedly by everybody on Fox news that wide-open, unregulated capitalism is the perfect system and was even specified so in the Bible! And anyone who disagrees hates American, God, and the Troops!
Like the man said, "ain't that a kick in the head!"
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Eat or be eaten.I've still got 2 toes on one foot, several fingers and an ear. The rest has been parsed out to all the predators I've encountered and with a little luck, I'll have one leg left to hop into my grave and maybe a few friends who'll "put the sod o're me". I'm sure looking forward to my 2.0 body, cause I've done this one in, just a little left Wyndham
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Blue,
Walther PPKS is a small, semi-automatic pistol made, or used to be made, in Germany by Walther. It was made most famous as the weapon carried by super spy James Bond. It comes usually in .380 caliber, which is a shortened 9mm.
"Finance and shenanigans = bad, yeah?"
Yes. Shenanigans usually indicates that someone is doing something 'behind the scenes' where it is hidden from view, usually for their own well being. In this case, manipulations of financial markets and investments by individuals or small groups that have a negative effect on the majority, but a positive outcome for that individual or group.
I agree with GDaddy about the upcoming economic disaster. What we've just gone through isn't going to approach what will be happening over the next few years. End of times? I doubt it. End of life, no, probably not. End of America as we know it? Good possibility.
Remember, the concept of Socialism is supposed to be a GOOD thing. Everyone shares equally. However, in reality, look at places like North Korea, Russia from the 1950s through the late 90's, and even today. China is another one, although they are trying to switch to a capitalist market, but in doing so have done significant damage to their own economy.
And that's the road we're on now.
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Hunter said a lot of crazy things. "When the going gets weird the weird turn pro."
Of course he was drug-crazed drunk who killed finally himself.
Like the man said, "ain't that a kick in the head!"
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I'm convinced that capitalism was bastardized by progressives.
For many years our children were taught by progressive educators & influenced by media that told them of the "evils of capitalism". These same children grew up & entered the world of business knowing, in their own mind, that they were entering the "evil world of capitalism" and treated it as such. What we have today in business is exactly what they were told & eventually made it to be. It was a self-fulfilling prophecy!
Not saying that there was no such thing as corruption & greed to begin with, but not to the extent that there is today.
I was brought up in business to believe that "you get what you want in life by helping others get what they want." In the beginning I thought it was bunk. But I'm a firm believer now.
The new breed of "so-called" capitalists are not capitalists at all!
They think the way to the top is achieved by stepping on others & they are willing to do so.
The way to the top is by helping others. That's the true & long lasting capitalism.
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Just before I moved to Florida....not BECAUSE I WAS moving to Florida, I decided to get a "pocketable" self-defense weapon...I already had a high powered rifle or two... A good friend lived next door to me, great sense a humor etc., but he was dying of wrecked war lungs...a big guy who served "gloriosly" in the back country of VietNam...well actually there are no records of him serving anywhere. You see, he operated with a platoon of "ghost-warriors"!! And, for years and years afterwood when he approached the powers that be regarding getting some disability benefits, they just say..."Hey, we're sorry but there's no records of you ever being in the service... You see, he was a CIA frontline operative..well, actually behind-the-lines, if there were any of those kind of embarcation points in Nam. After he was there a month or so...and quite a few fire-fights, he discovered a problem with knowing if he really had hit those charging crazies! He would empty a few high-powered rounds into these cats, but they would keep on coming...oblivious at times to being hit...well, he was able to procure a Walther, and from then on he swore his life by it! He told me to get one, I did, and have taken very good care of it..it's dependable, and accurate. Official government bureaucrats finally admitted he did "work for the company" and was entitled to "veterans benefits"....at least, after all those years of being "the invisible man"...his widow was taken care of. I have an engraved collectors addition of the PPK-S...It's accuracy and stopping power was good enough for my buddy, in the worst of times....and for James B, when he was ordered to switch to it from his ol friend, Berretta. Hey, I'm a vet to, and whether it's 2012 or Pennsylvania 6-5000, I'll be ready! If the walther isn't enuff, I'll just beat my orchestral harp into plowshares into gosh knows what....cause we're headed for those "Pearly Gates", anyway!! 
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Capitalism is an engine that depends on useless consumption and waste.
Communism sounds good on paper but it is completely against human nature and requires a repressive government to enforce it.
Socialism is in between. People cannot live together without a certain level of socialism.
But either way, 1% of the people end up getting rich off the work of the other 99%.
Like the man said, "ain't that a kick in the head!"
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Just a quick and friendly reminder, before this thread gets shut down, about Forum Rules #9. "The Off Topic forum is used for MUSIC-RELATED discussions that aren't about PG Music products." http://www.pgmusic.com/forum_rules.htm
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Yeah, what does business have to do with music?
Like the man said, "ain't that a kick in the head!"
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Well...in that case let's gather round and sing this one:
HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN
THE SKY I THINK IS CLEAR AGAIN
SO LET'S BREAK OUT THAT ICE COLD TUB OF GIN...
HAPPY--DAYS--ARE--HERE--AGAIN!!!
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Well...in that case let's gather round and sing this one:
HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN
THE SKY I THINK IS CLEAR AGAIN
SO LET'S BREAK OUT THAT ICE COLD TUB OF GIN...
HAPPY--DAYS--ARE--HERE--AGAIN!!!
I'll drink to that!
Like the man said, "ain't that a kick in the head!"
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We've added many major new features and new content in a redesigned Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
Version 2026 introduces a modernized GUI redesign across the program, with updated toolbars, refreshed windows, smoother workflows, and a new Dark Mode option. There’s also a new side toolbar for quicker access to commonly used windows, and the new Multi-View feature lets you arrange multiple windows as layered panels without overlap, making it easier to customize your workspace.
Another exciting new addition is the amazing new AI-Notes feature, which can transcribe polyphonic audio into MIDI. View the results in notation or play them back as MIDI, and choose whether to transcribe an entire track or transcribe specific parts like drums, bass, guitars/piano, or vocals. There's over 100 new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®.
There's an amazing collection of new content too, including 202 RealTracks, new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two RealDrums Stems sets, and much more!
Upgrade your Band-in-a-Box for Mac® to save up to 50% on most Band-in-a-Box® 2026 upgrade packages!
Plus, when you order your Band-in-a-Box® 2026 Mac upgrade during our special, you'll receive a Free Bonus PAK of exciting new add-ons.
If you need any help deciding which package is the best option for you, just let us know. We are here to help!
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 Mac Special Offers Extended Until May 31st!
Good news- we've extended our Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac® special offers until May 31, 2026!
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 is packed with major new features, enhancements, and an incredible lineup of new content! The program now sports a sleek, modern GUI redesign across the entire interface, including updated toolbars, refreshed windows, smoother workflows, a new dark mode option, and more. The brand-new side toolbar provides quicker access to key windows, while the new Multi-View feature lets you arrange multiple windows as layered panels without overlap, creating a flexible, clutter-free workspace. We have an amazing new “AI-Notes” feature. This transcribes polyphonic audio into MIDI so you can view it in notation or play it back as MIDI. You can transcribe an entire track (all pitched instruments and drums) or focus on individual parts like drums, bass, guitars/piano, or vocals. There's an amazing collection of new content too, including 202 RealTracks, new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two RealDrums Stems sets, and much more!
There are over 100 new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®.
When you order purchase Band-in-a-Box® 2026 before 11:59 PM PDT on May 31st, you'll also receive a Free Bonus PAK packed with exciting new add-ons.
Check out the Band-in-a-Box® for Mac packages page to find the best package for you.
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