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I have searched the forum and looked through the helps files and manual but I cannot figure out how to hear my MIDI keyboard trigger sounds within BIAB. It plays back after I record but not while I record or just play. Can this be done and if so, could some one please point me in the right direction?
I'm using a newly acquired M-Audio Keystation 88es, Cakewalk TTS VSTi, and a M-Audio Delta 1010LT card. More details to follow if needed.
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If it plays what you played while recording, then the connects must be okay and so must be the MIDI input selection inside BIAB.
Open up the Delta Control Panel for the 1010, hit the Patchbay/Router tab and set the H/W Out (likely 1/2, but whichever one you have your speaker monitors connect to) to "Monitor Mix" and see if that lets you hear the keyboard play in realtime. It should, that is what it is for.
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I recently updated the driver and panel interface for it and monitor mix is no longer included on the panel. At least I can't find it. It works fine in Sonar the way I have it set up. I'll look at tweaking some faders and see what happens.
Thanks for your help.
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I updated my Delta drivers several months or more back.
And the +4 Pro level didn't work anymore. No matter which one I picked, the level was stuck on -10 consumer. I needs me my loud.
Anyway, several emails to M-Audio support later, they suggested that I roll back to the older driver that did work.
And that's what I've done.
Matter of fact, they are one of the only sites I know that post two or more versions of their drivers for one OS at the same time. You may find your good old ones still posted and can get 'em back.
I don't need the eye candy of the new ones.
I need it to work right.
BTW I think Sonar has its own Monitoring situation built in the program.
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Hello keebo, Quote:
I have searched the forum and looked through the helps files and manual but I cannot figure out how to hear my MIDI keyboard trigger sounds within BIAB. It plays back after I record but not while I record or just play. Can this be done and if so, could some one please point me in the right direction?
I'm using a newly acquired M-Audio Keystation 88es, Cakewalk TTS VSTi, and a M-Audio Delta 1010LT card. More details to follow if needed.
For live playing from an external MIDI keyboard while using a VSTi synth, the ideal setup is to use ASIO drivers, and have the 'ASIO Always On' setting enabled (Opt. | Preferences | Audio). This allows you to play in real-time from a MIDI keyboard, and have the sound played by the plugin synth with very little latency.
One alternative if you're unable to use ASIO drivers, is to uncheck the option in the MIDI Driver Setup "Route MIDI Thru to MIDI Driver" and your playing will still go through the DXi synth - but there will be some latency. Another option is to leave that option checked and select a hardware synth as your MIDI output driver. Then you would be able to play without latency, although the sound would be going through a different synth than the rest of the BB tracks. I don't think the keystation has a synth of it's own, and I know that the M-Audio card doesn't, so you might not have a "hardware MIDI output synth".
So with your particular setup, you should probably try the M-Audio ASIO drivers. You may need to make some adjustments to the buffer/latency settings in the M-Audio control panel. If you have any trouble with that, you could try the free "ASIO4ALL" drivers, and you should be able to accomplish the same thing.
Andrew
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Thanks, Mac.
I may very well roll back too. I have not liked the new panel since I installed it. Yeah, it is cuter. But the routing and other options are either not as capable or not as clear on implementing them as the previous panel. I have yet to find any instructions on the new panel either.
Andrew,
Thank you for the detailed instructions. I will try your suggestions when I get back home.
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the M-audio keystation 88ES is not a keyboard, it's a MIDI controller only. there is not an internal hardware synth onboard, so routing back thru the delta 1010 and using it's monitor mix will not work.
keebo - you need to have the TTS-1 installed as your DX output synth in the MIDI options in BIAB (I'm not at my BIAB computer right now to tell you exactly how to set that up, sorry).
the info about ASIO is correct - you'll need that for low latency from the keyboard thru BIAB/TTS-1 to get a playable solutino. otherwise you'll have high latency and won't be able to play because of the slow response. I agree with Andrew that the m-audio native ASIO drivers should work for you by selecting "always use ASIO" like he suggests. ASIO4ALL will work as well, but I think there shouldn't be any reason the native m-audio ASIO driver wouldn't work and it's perferable over the ASIO4ALL (which is actually a WDM wrapper).
if you don't have your MIDI output selection set correctly for the DX output for TTS-1 then that would be a reason you can't hear anything while playing your keystation thru BIAB. if you can't find those menu optinos I'll look at it when I get home and help you then.
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the M-audio keystation 88ES is not a keyboard, it's a MIDI controller only. there is not an internal hardware synth onboard, so routing back thru the delta 1010 and using it's monitor mix will not work.
It works here with my M-Audio Keystation Pro 88. The Monitor Mix routes everything from the Wav output to the Input on the card. At least, with the old drivers it does. So if you are using a Softsynth that outputs audio on the Wav buss and you want to hear it in realtime, that's what you have to do. I've been doing it that way -- with BiaB -- with Delta series cards for years. You could also select "Wav Out 1/2" but when recording to audio that may become problematic.
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if you don't have your MIDI output selection set correctly for the DX output for TTS-1 then that would be a reason you can't hear anything while playing your keystation thru BIAB. if you can't find those menu optinos I'll look at it when I get home and help you then.
Now that could be a possible cause of his problem.
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Sorry - I thought you meant routing the MIDI output back thru the 1010's MIDI port and then using the monitor mix to monitor. it's the routing back thru the 1010 that confused me about what you were instructing!
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On the Delta series cards, "Monitor Mixer" is actually a hardware connect that functions much like the "What U Hear" setting on consumer cards.
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yes, I realize that, I have a delta 44 and I use the monitor mix myself. I just thought you were telling him to route the MIDI back out to the keystation thru the 1010's MIDI ports and then using the monitor mix to hear the keyboard which was what I was basing my statement on. again, sorry, i misunderstood you.
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Beagle,
I thought that I had the TTS set up correctly but obviously I missed something. I noticed that when the TTS interface is showing, clicking on one of the patch preview icons did not create any sound like it does in Sonar. I'll look more closely at the settings when I get home if Thursday will ever get here.
Thanks you guys for your feedback.
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when you get to it, go to OPT>MIDI/AUDIO DRIVER SETUP
select NO MIDI/SOUND OUTPUT - it will complain that your MIDI will be routed thru the DX synth.
make sure the USE VST/DXi SYNTH box is checked.
click on the VST/DXI SYNTH SETTINGS BUTTON and make sure that cakewalk tts-1 is selected.
i noticed that when I set it up for the first time that the "patch preview" buttons didn't do anything, but after I played a song with it, then went back into those settings and tried the preview buttons again, they played the demo sounds that were showing on the TTS-1 for that channel.
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Ah, I definitely did not have it set that way. Thanks for the details.
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