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I reset the '0' MSB and '32' LSB banks to use my bank select setting in my synth. It worked fine, but then when I opened a new song, everything reset to zero. I'd like it not to reset. I don't want to use the totally disable patch changes ... the only setting that appears to prevent bank select changes.
What is sending the reset message? Is it in the songs I'm loading?
Is there anyway to prevent this short of totally disabling patch changes?
Thanks.
Prado
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Turn on the midi monitor, it's one of the icons and watch what is happening. You can decide which channel to filter.
I have the VoiceLive box, and I have to set one channel to 5 and at bar one press F5 and insert a number like 32 for a guitar, which puts the box into harmony 3.2 3 voices above.
There is another way to insert commands, you might find that at bar 1 or you need to send something. Also you might disable the sending of data at the start of the song, like the GM reset...
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What VERSION of BiaB are you using?
This was a bug in 2009 and 2009.5, that continued into the first versions of 2010.
If you have 2010, make sure you are running the latest patch update on it.
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Hello Prado,
Have you set the "Bank0" and "LSB" for your song in Band-in-a-Box, and which tracks are you doing this on (bass, drums, piano....)?
Andrew
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@ Mac ... I was running 292, but have since updated to 294. Didn't seem to make any difference.
I am perhaps being less than clear. I am wanting the channel options to by 'system' based, not 'song' based. I did set the channels as I wanted and then finished a song I was working on and saved it. The channel settings came back with the song. I suppose I could make a blank song with the channel settings I want and just open it each time and use 'save as' to get those setting.
@ Andrew ... I am trying to it on all tracks except thru. As you can read above, I guess I'm asking if the channel settings is a song parameter or a system parameter.
So you can understand why I am trying to do this, my synth has a GM bank along with other banks. If I turn the switch on the synth to directly address the GM bank, I can't then use the other banks. I have to send the bank select messages to be able to access all patches. That's why I want to set up the midi channels to open each time with the prober bank select, MSB and LSB, in the program to default address the GM banks. The patch numbers are of course the same.
I didn't really want to have to go in each time I change a song and readdress the channels.
I hope this makes it clear.
Prado
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Hello, It is normal for the GM bank to be bank 0, and to have to use Bank select messages to access patches on higher banks... It is easier to use the controls on the main screen rather than the ones in the Channels dialog. 'Channel', 'Octave', and 'Chorus' don't have controls on the main screen, so the dialog is useful for those settings, but channel and octave are rarely used except in special cases. But if you want, you could change the bank numbers in that dialog, then use Opt. | Utilities | Save Alternate Drum/Patch file to save a custom .dk file. You could then reload that .dk file at any time, and it will fill in those boxes for you. If you are trying to map the general MIDI instruments to specific patches on higher banks (so for example, when you select 1 Acoustic Piano, it always gets mapped to some non-GM patch on a higher bank, you *could* accomplish this through Opt. | Utilities | Make an advanced patch map, but this is not used often. A couple of notes if you do use it... 1 - Be sure to save an alternate drum/patch file so you have all your settings saved in a .dk file that you can re-load later, 2 - you need to 'enabled advanced settings' checkbox) when you start BB. A better way to do it is to have a patch map for your synth, then use the [+] button to access all of the patches available on your synth by name, rather than having to type in all the bank numbers each time you want to choose a patch. There are some patch maps included with the program, and on our website at: http://www.pgmusic.com/support_miscellaneous.htmThere are instructions on creating a patch map here http://www.pgmusic.com/tutorial_bbwpatchmap.htm#patchmap
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Andrew,
Thank you for your lengthy response.
However, a simple question is still unanswered. Can these patch settings be set up system wide, or must they be called up for each song?
I have the patch map for my synth working fine.
The patch controls in the main window appear to reset with each newly loaded song. This would be a song by song approach. I understand it, but I am asking if there is a system approach.
I made a custom *.dk file, but it does not automatically reload. I also 'saved' the settings to mysettings.dk, but that does not bring up the settings either ... I just get the original default parameters as soon as I load a new song. The next song seems to revert to the '0' data values in MSB and LSB controllers. Are you saying it should be able to remain in place as a system setting or that I have to reload it everytime I want to use anything other than the default settings?
I will carefully go over your suggestions and reread the manual. Perhaps it is a simple as having failed to tick the 'enable advanced settings.' I hope so.
Thank you.
Prado
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You choose patches song-by-song.
If you want to save a bunch of patch/channel settings that you can reload at a later time, then you *could* use 'Save and Load Alternative .dk file'. (don't save it in the default MySetup.dk).
If you want a specific patch to be *re-mapped* to a non-General MIDI patch on your synth, you can use Opt-Pref-Patch Map (if you don't need to specify higher banks) or 'Make an advanced patch map' (if you need to specify banks). These settings will also be saved in the .dk file.
But again, those aren't commonly used features. Does your patch map not specify the bank numbers?
Last edited by Andrew - PG Music; 02/04/10 11:40 AM.
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Hi Andrew,
Yes, my patch list does specify the bank numbers.
I guess I'm having a really hard time explaining what I want to do. I want to use my synth bank select messages as system default so that every time I load a song or make a new one I don't have to make any patch changes ... unless I want to. That is, the channels will be mapped through bank select MSB and LSB values to my GM bank and regular GM patches will play fine.
Why do I want to do this?
I can either set my synth to GM mode or Performance mode. In GM mode it is a straight GM module and everything works ... except I can't address any other banks when it is in GM mode.
If I use Performance mode, than I can still address the GM bank through the bank select. I can now address all my other patches as well.
If my system is set up with the Channels bank select MSB and LSB value for GM bank select, the GM midi patches all play perfectly ... but I can make a patch change if I want to song by song ... but I wouldn't have to reset everything every time I start a new song or reload one.
I have found a 'save as' work around of saving the 'new' screen as a 'default' song with the bank select messages incorportated for new songs ... but that doesn't help with the basic problem of playing existing songs or midi files.
Prado
Last edited by Prado; 02/04/10 12:19 PM.
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Use the Advanced Patch Map
1. enable advance settings
2. click on patch 1, set the different bank number you need to access your GM bank
3. repeat for the rest of the patches.
4. Press OK
5. Go to Opt-Util-Save alternate.... call it "Performance mode.dk" (or something).
Remember that you'll need to check the box to enable advanced settings for each session. You may need to re-load your .dk file in the future if you reset the program or choose the default .dk file. Aside from that it should work and just requires that initial setup (try it just with acoustic piano first, to make sure it works).
Andrew
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Hi Prado,
The answer to your original question is no, there's no adjustable global parameter for CC0 or CC32. I've requested it in the past also, because I have the same situation as you. (My synth has GM bank at MSB=0 and LSB =1. I can either constrain it to that bank only, or leave all banks accessible, same as you. Or, of course, use my patch map.) Andrew's assertion that it's "normal" for GM to have both MSB and LSB set to zero has been reflected in the program forever. Yet - and I've mentioned this before - I believe the "normality" stems from the original midi spec, which had only 128 voices defined. I've never found an explicit statement in the current MIDI spec that the GM bank must be at MSB=LSB=0.
Unfortunately, we're a small minority. I'd have thought it'd be a simple adjustment to provide global control for CC0 and CC32. Hopefully it'll happen one day. Meantime, we can work around as Andrew described. (As Mac alluded, over time, PG has improved features relating to upper bank control. Much appreciated here.)
Incidentally, FWIW, the MSB and LSB spinners on the main screen only increment in octals (build 294). The only way to enter non octal multiples (with these controls) is to left click and use the popup.
-Ron
EDIT - My post crossed Andrew's. Reminds me to mention that I - and I'd assume others - use more than one sound source. Softsynth, sound font, external hardware. As mentioned, the latter GM bank is at LSB=1. Hence the impulse to request globally adjustable MSB and LSB. Understood Andrew's suggestion is the preferred workaround.
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Incidentally, FWIW, the MSB and LSB spinners on the main screen only increment in octals (build 294). The only way to enter non octal multiples (with these controls) is to left click and use the popup.
-Ron
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RIGHTCLICK on the spinner arrows to increment or decrement by 1...
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I stand corrected. Didn't think to try that. Thank you Mac! -Ron Quote:
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Incidentally, FWIW, the MSB and LSB spinners on the main screen only increment in octals (build 294). The only way to enter non octal multiples (with these controls) is to left click and use the popup.
-Ron
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RIGHTCLICK on the spinner arrows to increment or decrement by 1...
--Mac
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Thanks to all.
I see my way forward.
Prado
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