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Perhaps this has been fixed in version 2012: The splitting of the clefs when printing is wrong.  C4 = Middle C, not C5. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_%28musical_note%29It may seem like a minor thing until you want to specify the clef.
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BIAB 2012 has SAME "description" pop-up. And as far as I can tell it's just an EXAMPLE description. That is, "if you SET middle C to C5" [in the split Clef at box] then that's where Clef's split occur? I assume it's to accommodate folks who DO NOT have HW with C4 as Middle C or who want other than C4 as their middle C for whatever reason.
Of course I can see that this would be a problem for you if your print does NOT PRINT correctly based on what IS set there?
I have a Yamaha Motif XS7 and Middle C on it is C3 (and range is from C-2 through G8) not C4. However, my Alesis's (QS8 and Fusion) both have Middle C at C4. I don't think Alesis is right and Yamaha wrong (or vice versa) because MIDI spec suggests that C4 be middle C - but it doesn't require/enforce it (AFAIK but middle C for any given synth SHOULD be NOTE number 60).
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Al, My understanding with the C0, C1, etc., notation is that there is no standard. A person is free to define middle C however s/he wants. I believe that Sonar also define middle C as C5. A comparison that springs to mind is that the scientific scale for measuring temperature is Kelvin. That doesn't stop people from using Celsius, Centigrade or Fahrenheit, though. The reason the print options are set to C4 (the octave below middle C) is so that notes below middle C will print on the lead sheet as treble clef using ledger lines rather. At least, that's my interpretation. Below is an article about midi note numbers and how different manufacturers reference the numbering system differently. http://tomscarff.110mb.com/midi_analyser/midi_note_numbers_for_octaves.htmRegards, Noel
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We call Middle C "C5", as do some other companies (eg Cakewalk) http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=671372The problem with using C4 is that it leaves the lowest octave as C -1, which implies a note number less than zero. The lowest MIDI note number is 0 - it seems somehow more natural to call that C0 instead of C -1 Also, middle C is note 60, and C5 makes sense because 5x12= 60 I'm not expecting anyone to change their opinion on this, im just explaining why we have called middle C C5 for 23 years. Other companies use C4 or C3 so it is a mess.
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Not to beat a dead horse (given the people I work with my colleagues and I have a saying: "there is no horse so dead it can't be beat some more" :-D ) and to show Peter's description better (with a picture!) go to: http://www.midisolutions.com/chapter3.htmscoot on down the page to "NOTE NUMBERING VS. NOTE NAMING" and read Larry
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OK, thanks. I'm glad to know that there is some thought behind this, and it's not just a stupid error that no one has bothered to correct.
It's ridiculous that there isn't a consistent way to refer to a note, but I can see now that it's not PG Music's fault.
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Way back when the MIDI standard was agreed upon, there weren't *any* 88-key MIDI instruments...
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There was the Yamaha KX88 controller keyboard - but I can't remember what the middle c convention was on it.
The KX88 was available at about the same time as the DX7 and was designed to be teamed up with the TX 816 and the QX 1 sequencer. A monster system!!
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There was the Yamaha KX88 controller keyboard - but I can't remember what the middle c convention was on it.
The KX88 was available at about the same time as the DX7 and was designed to be teamed up with the TX 816 and the QX 1 sequencer. A monster system!!
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Yes, indeed. But the actual MIDI standard was agreed upon before either keyboard was a production reality...
And since the puters and controllers cannot accept a negative number for the bottom octave, as Peter has stated, very likely it had to use C5 as well.
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If I remember correctly - midi was a really mixed bag of tricks even when the DX7 & KX88 were introduced. Obviously most of the protocol was bashed out but still some manufacturers read their own version of MIDI.
I had a studio right in the middle of this time (1984 - 1990) and slowly things got midied - but I remember being frustrated by a lack of standard between Yamaha, Roland and Korg of which the bulk of my equipment was manufactured by.
It wasn't until the 90's that you could buy a piece of equipment and be reasonably sure that it would integrate itself into your studio. Of course then came computers and the MPU-401 and Cakewalk for DOS and the whole problem of where middle c occurred cropped up. BIAB was there in the melee with 'drums and bass' tracks and a whole 16 styles.
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My viewpoint is that anything MIDI has *always* been a "mixed bag of tricks".
It is possible to have two differing parameters that both meet the old MIDI spec.
Figure that.
Then there is the fact that Yamaha insisted on using the old Japanese convention of starting with zero and having zero count as one. Figure THAT...
But it is what it is and given all that, I still have managed to take darn good advantage of the power of MIDI over the years, in studio and onstage.
Remember when our keyboard choices were few and all of 'em quite large in size?
And all of 'em were literally one trick ponies as well...
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