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Some great composing and playing on an iPad - features Jordan Rudess #159152 05/10/12 08:36 PM Off-Topic
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OP rockstar_not Veteran R Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,913 Colorado Springs, CO, USA	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8gffhbeU...&playnext=1 Found this through an online collaborator who has kindly played fretless on a couple of my songs. He knows the producer, Eyal Amir. Pay attention to that name, I wouldn't be surprised to see this guy's name on some Grammy awards as a producer. Check out Eyal's other stuff. The singer has an interesting tone/style. Rudess looks like he is having fun with the iPad controller/synth as is Eyal. My Songs, photos, writing,etc. My Sound Cloud

Re: Some great composing and playing on an iPad - features Jordan Rudess rockstar_not #159153 05/11/12 06:11 AM Off-Topic
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Re: Some great composing and playing on an iPad - features Jordan Rudess Mac #159154 05/11/12 06:50 AM Off-Topic
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Don Gaynor Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 8,987 Oklahoma, USA	Way osmosis koo! Thanks, Scott. Incredible! Donny SoundClick: http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=1209254&content=music SoundCloud: https://soundcloud.com/donald-gaynor BIAB 2021 w/current updates.

Re: Some great composing and playing on an iPad - features Jordan Rudess Don Gaynor #159155 05/11/12 04:57 PM Off-Topic
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Danny C. Veteran Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 6,722 USA	I love this gal's voice. Danny C. www.dannycampo.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/Danny-Campo/379776252109306?skip_nax_wizard=true The More You Drink The Better I Sound

Re: Some great composing and playing on an iPad - features Jordan Rudess Danny C. #159156 05/11/12 05:03 PM Off-Topic
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Muzic Trax Veteran Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,157 California	These days you don't need to know how to sing and now play an instrument to have a "hit." Auto Tune and iPad is all you need now, I s'pose. What are the union guys going to do now? lol Trax

Re: Some great composing and playing on an iPad - features Jordan Rudess Muzic Trax #159157 05/12/12 06:04 AM Off-Topic
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OP rockstar_not Veteran R Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,913 Colorado Springs, CO, USA	Trax - you judge WAY too quickly. Autotune was not being used, IMO. This girl actually sings that way. She's a conservatory student - listen to her chops here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=estiCp-U8jk&feature=related She sings Brazilian style jazz and can sing pure tone pitch better than you can imagine. The video I posted I did because of how incredibly unique it is to have this type of a sing, with Jordan Rudess - the best known prog-rock keyboard player today - And Jordan Rudess - have you ever seen his written out musical scores? He could play circles around any of us here in any style. I'm completely serious about this. He plays 'proper' keyboards, as well as many different key-based controllers. I thought it was fun seeing him having fun with this new iPad controller layout. Here's some videos of Jordan doing 'Proper' musician stuff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GwhO1_zIMo&feature=relmfu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNotmfp4E6g&feature=relmfu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EmccyFdnOw&feature=related (check out his 'score', a monitor turned sideways) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgpiXgiB9dU&feature=related Anyways - the talent loaded in that video is pretty huge. The union guys will have to step it up actually. -Scott My Songs, photos, writing,etc. My Sound Cloud

Re: Some great composing and playing on an iPad - features Jordan Rudess rockstar_not #159158 05/12/12 06:37 AM Off-Topic
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the_blooze Apprentice Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 234 Springhill,Nova Scotia, Canada	I like it Andrew Lloyd

Re: Some great composing and playing on an iPad - features Jordan Rudess the_blooze #159159 05/12/12 06:50 AM Off-Topic
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Pat Marr Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 8,109 Winston-Salem, NC	Thanks for posting Scott. There's no denying that the musical capabilities of the I-pad open some interesting new options for musicians... and the video you posted is a good example of a very high-quality production using only I-pad based instruments. Actually, I think ONE app (Geo-synth) created ALL the sounds in the song except the girls voice, (which is totally captivating. I bet we'll be hearing more from her too. ) Considering the musical niche we all share, I think these Ipad apps are a natural extension of what we already do. I'm genuinely excited about the possibilities. If I ever get around to posting a song on the user showcase, it will probably include at least one Ipad instrument https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ey71h8ep047758h/AAC12jNM0Hz9Q8zsh5iDeqNHa?dl=0

Re: Some great composing and playing on an iPad - features Jordan Rudess Pat Marr #159160 05/12/12 08:27 AM Off-Topic
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jazzmammal Veteran Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,697 Redondo Beach, Ca.	When you listen to Amir at the end, he's talking about using the Ipad as a controller for the regular softsynths we all know like Halion. You can't tell in this vid what the Geo synth itself sounds like but there's probably other vids that demo it by itself. Thinking that a performer you hear do something that sounds like it didn't require a lot of pure classical music background is the same mistake I made 40 years ago. I would hear these simple parts played on a lot of pop hits and think I can do that, I can make it as a player too. It wasn't until much later I found out the guy hired by the producer to do that simple part is a graduate of Julliard or something. The vast majority of musicians that make it to this level are all well educated. Just because some of their stuff doesn't sound like it is simply the listeners lack of knowledge in that type of music. You have to be a monster player to do what they did in that video. Just the drumming was awesome. It looked to me like he was playing the drums in real time, not triggering loops. If so, that's some very good playing just tapping his fingers on an Ipad. I can't say how many times I've listened to an interview with some kid player who is all tatted up, looks like some refugee from a homeless shelter yet as soon as he opens his mouth I realized this kid is very sharp, very well educated and plays his butt off. He usually has very well off parents too, that's how he was able to develop his talent looking like he does. I remember one guy talked about his mother being a classical concert pianist with a Steinway in the living room and he started playing it at around 5 or so then switched to guitar in high school. To look at him and listen to the very strange prog rock stuff he's now famous for you would never think he came from that background. Bob Biab/RB latest build, Win 11 Pro, Ryzen 5 5600 G, 512 Gig SSD, 16 Gigs Ram, Steinberg UR22 MkII, Roland Sonic Cell, Kurzweil PC3, Hammond SK1, Korg PA3XPro, Garritan JABB, Hypercanvas, Sampletank 3, more.

Re: Some great composing and playing on an iPad - features Jordan Rudess jazzmammal #159161 05/12/12 02:26 PM Off-Topic
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Muzic Trax Veteran Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,157 California	Did someone really call them a musician? ComPOSER would be more like it, IMO. The girl can sing though. I was referencing in general that all you need now is a PC to "make music" with these days. No talent, other then being able to compose some chords in a DAW/iPad program. It's all good. I definitely hate the Auto Tune'd stuff tho. Shh, I am starting to sound like Mac now.

Re: Some great composing and playing on an iPad - features Jordan Rudess Muzic Trax #159162 05/12/12 03:34 PM Off-Topic
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Pat Marr Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 8,109 Winston-Salem, NC	I downloaded Geo synth today. There's nothing automatic about it... its the same as any other MIDI controller, except that the interface is a smooth piece of glass that allows sliding from note to note (or not) Like any other instrument, you have to learn where the notes are, then be able to trigger them on beat and without triggering the wrong note. In other words, its a whole new instrument, and in order to use it, you have to learn how to play it. I first thought it would be a toy, but it makes sounds that I would definitely use in a song I wanted other musicians to hear. All in all, I love it. Best $9.99 I ever spent. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ey71h8ep047758h/AAC12jNM0Hz9Q8zsh5iDeqNHa?dl=0

Re: Some great composing and playing on an iPad - features Jordan Rudess Pat Marr #159163 05/12/12 03:49 PM Off-Topic
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Pat Marr Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 8,109 Winston-Salem, NC	the thought occurs to me that the natural progression will be to make traditional instruments with glass interfaces... like a synth with a glass keyboard that can be configured to look like ebony and ivory, or a harp, drums or virtually anything. Likewise a bass or guitar with a glass neck that can be played in the traditional sense, or as these ipad apps. That would be true guitar synth, with no strings for false triggers or special pickup sensitivity settings I already want one, and they don't even exist yet. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ey71h8ep047758h/AAC12jNM0Hz9Q8zsh5iDeqNHa?dl=0

Re: Some great composing and playing on an iPad - features Jordan Rudess Muzic Trax #159164 05/12/12 04:19 PM Off-Topic
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OP rockstar_not Veteran R Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,913 Colorado Springs, CO, USA	Trax you can't be serious, are you? Did you listen to any of the other links? Jordan Rudess is a classically trained virtuoso and the singer is down with Brazilian jazz in a major way. Yes they are musicians in the truest sense of the word. Spend some time on YouTube with both names. Its not April 1 is it? My Songs, photos, writing,etc. My Sound Cloud

Re: Some great composing and playing on an iPad - features Jordan Rudess rockstar_not #159165 05/12/12 05:16 PM Off-Topic
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Muzic Trax Veteran Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,157 California	My thoughts on it; maybe old skool, but if you don't have a mic to record your "instrument" with in a studio/daw, it isn't a 'real' instrument. YMMV Trax

Re: Some great composing and playing on an iPad - features Jordan Rudess Muzic Trax #159166 05/12/12 05:45 PM Off-Topic
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Keebo Apprentice K Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 193	I have had this app in my wish list on iTunes for a while and decided to buy it today after watching this video along with others found on the net. Thanks for posting. I am a mainly a guitarist with several keyboards but have never been able to get comfortable with the keys so I figured why not try something with a different aspect. I have tried the developer's other app called Mugician but couldn't figure out any of the options but liked the different way of triggering sounds. I have only had it for a while but I do like getting away from the white and black keys set in the the key of choice. Yes, it may be cheating a little but I have learned to progress with the sometimes odd style of making music on an iDevice. Whether or not I can accomplish my musical desires with an IDevice or not is still forthcoming but I think it may be a step in the right direction. Sitting in my rocking chair on the porch this evening triggering awesome sounding VST's on my DAW via WiFi with Geo was quite relaxing. Not that the built in sounds (JR's Dream Theater's patches) are any where near bad, but the flexibility of the app is quite surprising. I haven't looked through the manual yet but after seeing the video of where you can import custom samples into the app via SampleWiz? (another creation of the same developer) It has even more potential to disconnect from the wires that bind us to our DAWs (along with the other impressive DAW and synth type of apps showing up). Again, I hope that PG Music recognizes the iDevice/Android market to further develop BIAB/RB and other apps to cash in on this potential market. See Personal Bio for system setup My SoundClick Page

Re: Some great composing and playing on an iPad - features Jordan Rudess Muzic Trax #159167 05/12/12 06:09 PM Off-Topic
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OP rockstar_not Veteran R Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,913 Colorado Springs, CO, USA	Trax - you haven't watched the videos. If you were calling Jordan Rudess a comPOSER implying he's a poser, you haven't watched the videos. Be prepared because when you do, there's some crow pie that goes by the name of 'humble' to be eaten. Here's some at a proper acoustic piano - with microphones, since that's what qualifies it for you I guess: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nlhbXhAfAQ Chicago Blues with Marco Minneman (just a pickup session) https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uxEhQRfkCfI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP9mszAATx0&feature=related But I also enjoy watching his having amazing fun with other keyboards: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=81FfFSMgc98 The reason that you see him looking off - is that he writes out these parts and he's reading from a score, at least to keep track of his place. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htz-JPkI9_g&feature=related https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_LiTarYFgY&feature=related This one is simply insane prog-rock featuring Tony Levin on Stick, John Petrucci on electric guitar, Mike Portnoy on Drums and Jordan on synth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_LiTarYFgY&feature=related But there's only mic's on the drums and guitar amps - does that mean that all electric guitar and electric bass players are not musicians? See Jordan's chart in front of him? My Songs, photos, writing,etc. My Sound Cloud

Re: Some great composing and playing on an iPad - features Jordan Rudess Muzic Trax #159168 05/13/12 04:29 AM Off-Topic
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Mac Veteran M Joined: May 2000 Posts: 38,502 Chesapeake, Virginia USA	Quote: My thoughts on it; maybe old skool, but if you don't have a mic to record your "instrument" with in a studio/daw, it isn't a 'real' instrument. YMMV Trax Um, you mean like your MIDI keyboards? PGmusic FAQs, Tutorials and Updates! click here You must be Audiominds. www.audiominds.com

Re: Some great composing and playing on an iPad - features Jordan Rudess rockstar_not #159169 05/13/12 06:41 AM Off-Topic
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jazzmammal Veteran Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,697 Redondo Beach, Ca.	I agree 100% Scott. I've become a big fan of JR just in the last two years or so because he's also done some killer demos for Kurzweil and Korg. One of those was so complex he was using a score on an electronic gadget. I couldn't tell what it was but I want one when the prices come down. Any keyboard player who listens to him for 10 seconds can tell he's classically trained. You don't get chops like that playing with games in the basement. I don't do prog rock or whatever you should call it so when I was checking out demos for my latest keyboard I had never heard of him. I already have some of your links bookmarked, he's one of the guys I sit back and listen to when I don't feel like playing. There's also a very cool series of videos about Dream Theater holding auditions for a new drummer. Fascinating insight into how the music biz works at that level. Good talk plus the actual auditions feature some great playing. Bob Biab/RB latest build, Win 11 Pro, Ryzen 5 5600 G, 512 Gig SSD, 16 Gigs Ram, Steinberg UR22 MkII, Roland Sonic Cell, Kurzweil PC3, Hammond SK1, Korg PA3XPro, Garritan JABB, Hypercanvas, Sampletank 3, more.

Re: Some great composing and playing on an iPad - features Jordan Rudess jazzmammal #159170 05/13/12 06:58 AM Off-Topic
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Wow. Doubting the talent of Jordan Rudess? Talk about having a set of juevos.... You HAVE heard of Dream Theater, I assume? Jordan may have the fastest fingers out there. What he does on the synthesis side is just an enhancement of his sounds, not a detraction of his talent. He is a player. It is almost comical how people who are using a program that plays instruments FOR them have the audacity to make comments about PROFESSIONAL musicians that are light years more talented than any of us here. Comments about "auto tune and iPad" are totally ridiculous. If the tools are out there, are they not out there to be used? I mean, this whole "automobile" thing.... do you have a really big yard where you park your horse and buggy? Carpenters have battery operated tools now ever since that "electricity" thing caught on. I have a bathroom INSIDE my house now since the invention of plumbing. Post after post here praises the interfacing of RB and iPhone and iPad. Is that heresy too? Just because you are too cheap to buy technology and/or don't know how to use it, don't put down the players who have embraced it. EPIC FAIL

Re: Some great composing and playing on an iPad - features Jordan Rudess #159171 05/13/12 10:29 AM Off-Topic
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Pat Marr Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 8,109 Winston-Salem, NC	I-pad + geo-synth as midi controller: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3wfqKSLS...DF989EEB554F058 listen to the sax, which is typically a difficult instrument to emulate with most midi controllers. The ability of a glass surface to allow a wide range of percussive, sliding, strummed or plucked note-on triggers makes it particularly well-suited for use as a MIDI controller for many instruments. Yeah, most synths have a pitch wheel.. .but there is something more intuitive about sliding up to the note in the same way you would with a fretless instrument. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ey71h8ep047758h/AAC12jNM0Hz9Q8zsh5iDeqNHa?dl=0

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