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Hi forum. I have a question about editing in Real band (or PTPA). How do I go back in editable notation mode and tie a whole note in bar three to a dotted half in bar four. I've tried in RB and PTPA as well in piano roll mode. I have a number of tied notes I need to edit. Also is there any way to get rid of the bass clef while in the editable notation mode. I have some lead lines I am entering for the first time and to have to keep the bass clef for the occaisional note below middle C is a nuisance. I looked in the all forums and RB forum and nothing was obvious in the 200 some posts.
Would appreciate any info. Thanks
Dennis
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Entering notation in pgmusic products is vastly different -- and actually much easier to do and faster == than other programs or how you may *think* it should work.
To change that whole note followed by dotted half to a tied situation, first delete the two notes, then just click once at the right line or space on the first vertical dotted line for the first beat. A whole note tied to the dotted half will appear automatically.
Because that is the first note entry with these programs. If you didn't want that full tied situation, just click again where you want the next note to be and the program will automatically change the duration of the first note to suit. Fast and neat.
See the FAQ pages for more info and tutorial-like explanation on how to use the notation views.
As for the middle C, you can set the breakpoint in Notation view, Opts.
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Mac, as usual thanks for the prompt reply. I still can't accomplish the requests in my earlier post. I had previously checked the FAQs and the most promising one was no longer available. Maybe by search is not worded correctly but when I type in tied notes in the help, in the faq, and forum search my results are fruitless. I tried what you suggested but I couldn't get it to work. I could tie into a dotted half in the begining of the second bar from the 4th, then 3rd, then 2nd notes of the first bar ok. When I tried to do it from the first beat of the first bar the tie would only tie to other notes in the first bar. (hopefully this is coherent). What I am trying to do is enter the following:
bar 1 | bar 2 | bar 3
whole note tied to |dotted half qtr note tied to | whole note tied to .....
bar 4
half note qtr note qtr note tied to etc
In regards to removing the bass clef I did try going into Options/pref/notation options/notation settings but I'll be darned if I can figure out how to remove the bass clef in this screen.
Please advise a "slow" learner what the heck I am missing.
Thanks Dennis
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Mac, when I submitted the reply the layout I used for bar structure didn't post in the original form.
Here it is again in a different format.
bar 1 whole note tied to dotted half note in bar 2, qtr note (4th) beat is tied to a whole note in bar 3 which in turn is tied to a dotted half note in bar 4 qtr note then two barred eigth notes of which the "and of four" is tied to a whole note in bar five which in turn is tied to the first qtr note in bar six.
Hopefully that will help you help me
Dennis
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bar 1 whole note tied to dotted half note in bar 2, qtr note (4th) beat is tied to a whole note in bar 3 which in turn is tied to a dotted half note in bar 4 qtr note then two barred eigth notes of which the "and of four" is tied to a whole note in bar five which in turn is tied to the first qtr note in bar six.
Excellent, Dennis, the step-by-step description is good communication and saves many posts and time.
Start with a blank slate.
Get into the Notation window and click on the little grid that makes it into the EDIT window.
You should see vertical dotted lines overlaying the staff. For a Straight style, you'd see 4 dotted lines subdividing each beat into 4 parts. For a Swing style, you would see 3 dotted lines per beat.
Let's say your first note was thirdspace C.
Click on the first vertical dotted line on the thirdspace.
Watch what happens.
The single click automatically makes a whole note tied to a dotted half.
Let's say the second note is the D above thirdspace C.
Click once on the D line at the first vertical on the 4th beat.
Don't be concerned with the length of that note at this time, it will likely be longer than you desire. Just go to the next one.
The trick is to only be concerned about the STARTING POINT of each note you click, the program will automatically take care of the note durations as you go.
The same applies when you need a Rest, just click the Rest checkbox up top to insert any rest needed anywhere, don't be concerned once again with its value for the next thing you click, note or rest, will shorten the duration of the previous note accordingly.
This is a superfast way to enter notes with mouse in step entry -- once you play with it awhile and get used to it.
If you would have searche4d the BB FAQ page for "notation" -- you would have found this:
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5. How do I enter notation in Band-in-a-Box?
Band-in-a-Box and PowerTracks Pro Audio offer one of the quickest methods of notation input. Remember though, they were never developed to be a dedicated notation software package, so some of the problems you may run into will have to do with that limitation. For typical leadsheets though, this notation is more than adequate.
First, you need to be in editable notation mode. Open the Notation Window and look in the Notation Window toolbar. To the right of the [Print] button there are three Notation Mode buttons. Pressing the one in the middle will toggle you into editable notation mode.
When inputting notation, all you do is place your mouse arrow where you want a note and press the left mouse button. This will place a dotted whole note at that position. If it is in the second half of the bar, you will get an automatic 1/2 note rest in the first half. You will still get a dotted whole note in the second half of the bar. Don't worry if the first note you enter isn't the type of note you want it to be. The next note you place will determine the value of the first. Remember that the subsequent note placed always determines the value of the previous note. If you want to shorten a previous note, you can select the rest box and place a rest between the notes at the value you want the previous note to be. Notes inserted between other notes will automatically set the value for the previous note as well.
If you are in 'Staff roll' mode, you can change the duration of a note by clicking on it with the right mouse button and then dragging the cursor to the desired end location. Click the Staff Roll mode button to toggle into staff roll mode. This button is directly to the right of the Editable Notation button.
While inserting a note on the staff, holding down the [Shift] key will make the note 1 half-step sharper. Holding down the [Ctrl] key will make the note 1 half-step flatter. Holding down the [Alt] key forces the note to be a natural. To delete a note from the Notation, hold down the delete key and left-mouse click on the note. Or you could right mouse click on the note (to edit it), then press the Delete button.
You can change the beat resolution (the number of intervals in one beat) by right-clicking in the time indicator bar above the beat that you want to change. This will allow you to enter triplets in an even feel style, or sixteenth notes in a triplet feel style. The time indicator bar is the narrow space containing the black cursor that moves across the screen as your song is playing.
Note: The only tracks that are completely editable by the user are the Melody and Soloist tracks. You can input any notation that you want on either of these tracks. The other tracks (Bass, Drums, Piano, Guitar, Strings) are used by Band-in-a-Box to generate its arrangements. Each time you press Play, Band-in-a-Box will generate a slightly different arrangement on these tracks (to simulate live playing) so that if you make any changes on these tracks, your edits will be lost. If you would like to edit these tracks, you need to copy them to the Melody or Soloist track (Edit | Copy/Move Tracks) or save your song as a MIDI file and do the editing in a MIDI sequencer such as PowerTracks Pro Audio.
Band-in-a-Box 2005 and higher also include a "Piano Roll Window". This window allows you to edit notation in the Melody or Soloist tracks using a window similar in style to the type found in many sequencer programs. It enables precise graphic editing of note timing and duration, and you can also graphically edit Note Velocity, Controllers, Program Changes, Channel Aftertouch, or Pitch Bend. To open the Piano Roll Window, click on the piano roll icon in the toolbar, or go to Window | Piano roll window. Click on the [Help] button on the right-hand side of the Piano Roll window for a complete tutorial.
This way of entering notes is something that only pgmusic software does, once you get the hang of it, I think that you will find that it is a better and faster method, just like I did at one time. (When I'm inside Sibelius doing charts, I often find myself trying to do it this way!)
--Mac
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