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Tony, there is a very good chance that use of ASIO sound drivers, such as the free ASIO4ALL.exe, coupled with using a DXi MIDI synth, regardless of whether the songs involved are all Realtracks or not, may solve your problem.
Thanks Mac
You are quite right, I just switched to CoyoteWT (my laptop is permanently set to ASIO4ALL) and the "early note" problem seems to go away but the annoying latency at the start of a song is still there. However that's really no help because I have no intention of ever using a soft synth even if I could solve the latency problem. I am totally committed to my SD-50 sounds module because I have hundreds of songs all arranged with the patches from it. So any discussion about soft synths and audio driver settings is mute.
I think it is reasonable for me to expect BIAB to perform without this annoying glitch when using a sound module. I am still waitng for a response to indicate that PG have followed my directions to demonstrate the problem.
Thanks
Tony
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I use the ASIO drivers with my hardware sound modules.
When doing so, I have the MIDI Output window set to highlight the physical hardware MIDI OUT ports needed at the time.
Will check it out as thoroughly as I can one more time from here, trying to duplicate the problem.
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I may have found a way around this problem.
I noticed that the problem of the first notes playing only occurs
when the note is on beat 1, tick 0. Moving the note to tick 1 seems
to prevent it from playing. This has no effect on the metronome, it
still jumps to beat 1 ocasionally when paused waiting for midi.
Now you don't want to have to do this for every pattern, but there
is a way to move all notes back slightly for all songs.
In the play menu, under "Slide Tracks", set all the values to '1'
and select "Allow Any Slides".
I don't know if this will work for any and all styles. If it doesn't
work for some, possibly making the slide values a little larger may
help.
It even seems to work if the note is one tick before the 1st beat,
which is strange because "Slide Tracks" should move it back to tick 0
on beat 1.
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YIPEE!!! That fixed it - many thanks Megafiddle.
My test style dixiland.sty demonstrates the problem more than most and now it seems to be perfect if I set Slide Tracks to 1. So far I cannot find any disadvantages. I hadn't even realized this slide option existed,
It shouldn't really be necessary to use this workaround to get BIAB to stop this annoying behaviour. Surely some kind of permanent tiny delay can be built into the program.
I wonder if PG have tried to reproduce the problem in the way that I have suggested.
Thanks
Tony
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Yes, that's a very interesting observation by megafiddle.
My Slide Tracks settings are permanently at several different values such as 2, -2, etc. Perhaps that is why some of us can duplicate your problem and others cannot.
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Sounds like a good find - and likely a good clue for development.
Will have to check to see if that is why it works here.
I think it will be confirmed, for I generally play anything on the Melody track in, using MIDI record - and it is highly unlikely that I will play right on beat 1, 0 - spent all these years learning how to play behind the beat and cool y'know.
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Glad to hear it helped.
I noticed also that negative Track Slide values don't help. Since there is no
lead in bar in this case, I am guessing that notes can't be moved back before
beat 1, tick 0, so they remain at zero which is where the problem occurs.
Anyway, I find it amazing that a program this complex works as well as it does.
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