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Hello!
Ok, this was probably asked somewhere before so if you have a link please post and I'll check it.
My problem? I'm having a hard time getting the MIDI right with my Motif 8. I would like a step by step on how to set the Motif 8 Classic with BIAB.
The more detail the better. I have the MIDI hooked up from my Motif 8 via the USB cable and it is recognized.
Other people tried to help me on another board but the problem is none of them own a Motif 8 so I have no idea if I have the Motif 8 set up correctly for BIAB. I can get sounds but they are all over place, sometimes drums sometimes instruments.
If you want more info I will try to give you anything I can.
Thanks, I've been working on this problem now for over a week and still not even close.
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Hi Steve, What you likely need is a Patchmap for the Motif 8, dropped into the main bb folder, and selected as the default Patchmap inside BB. The Patchmap would allow you to see and select the various banks of voices in the Motif, by name. The pgmusic Patchmap sharing page is here: http://www.pgmusic.com/support_miscellaneous.htm There are several different Motif models listed under Yamaha there, I don't know if any one of those matches the banks in your particular Motif or not. And, if there is not a matching patchmap published above, not to worry, if you can locate a Cakewalk Instrument Definition file for your model, Band in a Box features a converter inside it that will automatically convert the Cakewalk .ins definition file to a Band in a Box Patchmap. A websearch can bring up Cakewalk instrument def. files that you can download for free. See the BiaB FAQs for more information concerning Patchmaps and usage, including how to make your own file from scratch if need be. I doubt you need to go to that extreme, though, because of the sheer proliferation of Motif and the large Cakewalk user base. --Mac
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Thanks Mac Yeah I've already been and checked for PAT Maps but nothing for the Motif 8 Classic. Plus I've pretty much never been this far into my Motif before so it's scary for me.  I'm going to do a search on that Cakewalk thing you mentioned and see what that has. Thanks
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The thing to look for is not a match to the name of your device, but whether another uses similar patch numbers and has similar banks. You will have to look at the contents of each file, and your manual.
Many of the patch maps on the BIAB site above were created by making modifications (some slight, some substantial) to existing patch maps. I made a few of those for the Roland/Edirol devices. But within a family of devices by the same vendor, it would seem that one of them must be at least close enough to make yours work somewhat.
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Ha!
I'm already confused. I guess the first thing I would need is exactly how to set up my Motif 8 for MIDI. I have the basic settings like loc ctrl off but I have no idea what the settings should be in Song or Pattern mode which is what everyone so far has told me to use.
Of course then we come to what settings I need in BIAB. I do have a Motif ES Pat file but like I said all of it is very confusing for me which is why I would like a step by step.
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If you're not comfortable modifying code, have you looked for the Motif 8 .INF file as Mac mentioned? Or maybe go to a Motif user forum, if one exists?
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HI I'm not ok with modifying code. I did and nothing so far.
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Sorry, we programmers sometimes tend to forget how intimidating that can seem to others. But someone must have faced and solved your problem. Keep looking, and good luck.
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Yeah
I'm disabled from Chronic Lyme Disease so my head isn't always there but know PC"S inside and out. MIDI not so well.
I'm sure someone will be able to give me a step guide here, that's why I posted.
The problem is everyone that has tried to help me said the same thing "Just check your Motif Manual" Well I did and it's way over my head. This is my first time attempting MIDI so yep I know it's going to take a while but I don't give up very easily.
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I have the MIDI hooked up from my Motif 8 via the USB cable and it is recognized.
Recognized by what, Windows or Biab? It has to be both. Inside Biab you have to select your Motif as your midi output device then the sound will come from the audio outputs of your Motif, not your computer. That alone may be enough but if not then check your owners manual under General Midi and it will tell you how to set it up for GM/XG. Setting it up for GM won't use all the patches, just the GM soundbank but it may be pretty good and you won't care about all the other patches. Later you can mess with the patch map to allow you to use any patch.
Once you get sound for midi, there's more for you to set up but first things first.
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Ah ok
Sorry yes BIAB see's it too. I was using the USB cable for MIDI from the Motif but I read somewhere that it didn't work right so now I'm using an UNO USB MIDI to USB cable but it's the same.
I actually have drum sounds so far. My set up is Motif to PC via UNO USB, also I have the left and right output cables going from my Motif to my VS-2480.
I know it's the Motif or I'm pretty sure and I think it's just that I don't know how to get the different instruments to play in song or pattern mode but....
In pattern mode? I have drums coming through. I'm in pattern mode then mixing and I can see that part 1 actually says dr. The rest of the 16 say ap piano and I do have a piano coming through it just is playing like a drum instead of a piano. I also noticed that if I raise and lower the four sliders next to the window on the left actual physical sliders that the virtual slider in part 1 through 16 move too. And they are linked in pairs but not next to each other.
That's how far I've come and I'm thinking of just doing a high def video on my I Pad of my setting so anyone can view and probably see what it is I'm doing wrong.
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I checked the patch maps on PG music, but unfortunately they do not list the patch map for the Motif 8 (classic). I also have a Motif Classic. But here is a you can download download (free) the instrument definition file(.ins file) that Mac mentioned spoke of for the Motif (they also have just about all the other Motif info as well, such as manuals, how-to's, etc. http://www.motifator.com/index.php/support/view/sonar_cakewalk_ins_instrument_definitionsDownload the instrument definition for the Motif Then once you've downloaded the .ins file, do as Mac suggested to create a patch file for BB (page 83 of the BBW 2013 manual). This page and the preceding/succeeding page give pretty much step-by-step instructions on how to create the patch (.pat) file from the instrument definition file (.ins), and how to select and use the patches. The instrument file is for the standard/factory instrument definitions for the Motif. If you've made customizations to the Motif, then you will need to create account for that. There are free editors (from Yamaha and Motifactor) for all things Motif (Wealth of Motif knowledge, etc.) You can also visit Yamaha's site for additional drivers, pdf files, etc. http://download.yamaha.com/search/produc...oduct_id=623455See if the above gets you started. Richard
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Ok Richard
I'll give that a shot later on, thank you.
Steve
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Hi Steve, If at all possible, can you let us see and image your Audio setup with in BIAB? For example, the image below shows my settings. (They're found under Opt. | Preferences | Midi driver.)  IMAGES IN POSTSIf you have Vista or Windows 7 there's a software tool found under "Start | Accessories" called the 'Snipping Tool'. This can be used to obtain a section an on-screen display and then save it as an image. Using an external internet file storage location, that image can then be included in a post. The link below explains how to include images in post. ... link to how to include images in postsRegards, Noel
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Hi Noel
I know how to use the snip tool and I'll do that when I get back in the music room but for now I actually remember what they are only because I changed the MIDI cable from the USB MIDI to the UNO MIDI to USB cable. You can probably tell me better though which cable I should use or if it even matters.
The only option I don't have it straight MIDI.
On the MIDI input and output right now it's the UNO
Under the Synthesizer/Sound card I have Motif ES 8
The use Dxi synth is unchecked and General Midi 2 is selected.
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Oh man
Well I have the image but you can't just post pictures here. Looks like I need to link them to a URL which I don't do. If you want I'll post it on my FB page and give you the link.
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I can get sounds but they are all over place, sometimes drums sometimes instruments.
This sounds like you haven't set sounds to the appropriate channels for BIAB to interpret.
The below image (from Opt | Preferences | Channels) shows what MIDI channel (first column) that each of the BIAB tracks are set to by default. To get the appropriate sounds out of the Motif * keyboard, I suspect you need to be able to tell it to play either (a) general midi or (b) specific instruments on specific channels.
Also, if the styles you're using contain Realtracks and Realdrums, these are not midi based and so will not be able to be interpreted by the keyboard.
Some things to note regarding the above point ...
1. Styles that begin with _ or = will have Realtracks and usually Realdrums in them.
2. Styles that being with M contain Midi Supertracks and usually Realtracks and Realdrums.
3. By default, BIAB automatically substitutes Realdrums on Midi style is there is an appropriate choice. This option can be disabled under Opt | Preferences | Realdrums.
Hope this adds to the above to give you a bit more information.
Regards,
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Hi Noel
I see that screen but don't understand what I'm supposed to do and where?
Like a for instance Piano channel 3 patch 1
How and where do I set that up in BIAB?
Oh and I just checked my manual and don't have a 2013 manual, I have a 2012.5 but have the 2013 BIAB. Should I contact them and get the correct manual?
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Hi Steve, No need to contact PG Music about the manual, all Midi-related things have been the same for many years. How have you set up your Motif 8 to receive Midi information? Also ... Quote:
Like a for instance Piano channel 3 patch 1
... means the Piano track is playing on Midi channel 3 (there are 16 Midi channels) and that it has been assigned sound #1 in General Midi (which is a piano sound).
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