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Hi..
I have been the proud owner of an SD2 for a few weeks now and LOVE it. I have it all hooked up to RB and it's working great. However, I wasn't impressed with the results I was getting recording audio in RB... or at least I wanted to see if I MIGHT get somewhat better results in Cakewalk (home studio 2004) I did my song in BIAB and RB... saved it as a MIDI and opened it up in Cakewalk... problem is that I don't know how to put the Ketron patch map into Cakewalk. Any help would be greatly appreciated!!!
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I think you'll find better help for this question over at the Cakewalk forum site. Try http://forum.cakewalk.com/tt.asp?forumid=16
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I would bet there is absolutely no difference in the audio quality of RB verses Cake HS 2004. Audio entering the computer is affected more by the interface and AD/DA convertors than the software. Cake HS 2004 does not have the newer audio engins that Sonar 7 and 8 have. You can record into RB with 24 bit so it has what is needed. If you do not like the effects, I still do not think Home studio 2004 has any better ones that RB has.
If you are just more comfortable with the process in cake i get that, but RB will give a very polished product if you use it right. Moving the tracks to HS is just another step of work that could be eliminated.
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Cakewalk uses a slightly different patchmap format.
See if there is a Patchmap for the SD2 and Cakewalk available already by doing a web search. Also check the Cakewalk website where they store their patchmaps. SD2 is very popular. chances are someone has alreadty rolled a patchmap for Cakewalk and the SD2.
Min records in RB very nicely. Perhaps what you really need do is find out why yours doesn't and correct that.
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Yeah... I guess you're right... I'm not a TOTAL expert in digital audio recording... back in the day when I first started using BIAB/PT... 1993... it came on a few floppies... I had to do my audio with a Yahama (I forget the model but it was expensive) 4 channel, 4 track recorder. That was fun... and pretty advanced for the time. I used 2 channels for my finished PT song... had another channel for my guitar... and one channel for my voice. If you wanted to record more "audio" you could "ping pong" tracks... heh... don't forget... this was a cassette tape... and every time you re-recorded two tracks together so that they'd be on the same track, you would lose quality... big time. But it was fun... how things have changed. I think my biggest problem (and the reason why I'm not really happy with the audio recording) is my mic... it is an old Peavey that I used when I was working in the clubs. Again... it was a great mic for that kind of use, back in the day... but... like most of my stuff... it has seen better days compared to what is out there now. Anyway... I'm having fun... that's why I got back into it. Absolutely LOVE BIAB, RB and am overjoyed that I listened to Mac when he told me that the Ketron was a good investment.
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Bobby, I'd be interested in hearing HOW you record your audio. My feeling is that there is nothing wrong with either Cakewalk, Real Band, or the Ketron, but I suspect that there's a real issue with your Audio interface, whatever it is. 'Whatever it is' could be anything from the Mic and Line in of your on-board sound card to a $1,000 A/D and $1,000 D/A converter. Somehow, I'm suspecting something towards the lower end of that spectrum.  Depending on how comfortable you feel with your computer, and what kind of computer it is, for probably less than $150, you can get a nice little 6-8 channel mixer with half way decent mic pres, and either a plug in PCI card audio interface, or an USB interface. For another $100 on top of that, you can get an entry level condenser mic. You might even be able to pick up a nice Dynamic mic for less than that. It would all depend on your surroundings, and how sensitive you need the mic to be. Recording audio in a home studio is all about the weakest link in your signal chain. You can have the finest of everything, and a lousy audio input or output and that alone will ruin a fine recording. It's always the weakest link that holds you back. Gary
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Hi Gary... I know that your advice/observations are right on track with my not being very satisfied with the audio recording and sound. It's been so long since I've done anything with my music, I've forgotten how I used to do it. Not to mention the learning curve I had when I got BIAB/RT in March. But I'm doing OK on that end of it.
When I'm recording audio, (my voice, my guitar) I plug directly into my Audigy 2 Platium... it has all the plugins in the front of the computer. Funny thing... when I record my guitar (rhythm only) it comes out sounding great. It's a 1992 Takamine... it has the little EQ on it. The problem is my voice - I plug the mic in the same input on the computer - not at the same time as the guitar... heh... and it comes out muffled... It certainly isn't crisp. But as you say... I'm sure it's the mic. I don't think you'd call it "dymamic". I'm going to start checking around in our main music store here to see what I can find. And... as you pointed out... I may be able to get something better for a good price. I've already spent more than I planned to when I decided to get back to making music. As someone said somewhere in another post... making music for a hobby isn't cheap.
I'm running XP Professional, 3.1 gig duo core and 4 gigs of RAM. And like I said... the Audigy 2 Platium. I know I have the computer resourses to be doing all this... BIAB and RB has NEVER crashed on me since I started using it, unlike some of the posts I've read here. Everything is beautiful as far as performance.
I think the first thing I'm going to look at is a new mic... I don't think I'm ready to start trying to get a TRUE studio sound just yet... I have to become fluent with the software first. Question for Mac... you mentioned something to someone last week about using the Ketron's "higher banks"... what is that? Am I able to access them with the patch map I got here? Just wondering.
I'll keep you all informed about my further progress!!!
Bobby
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Once the Ketron is installed in Band in a box press the Plus key to the right of the patch. You will notice if you have chosen Rock Organ you get 4 variations, or Jazz Organ gives others. These reside in the higher banks. Once you find one patch you like you save the song with patches and harmonies after pressing the fill with patches option on the pop up box to populate the list. If you set you volumes and patches, save the song with a new name, I often apppend JC to the song name so I know I did something.
A for example would be I use the Ketron to play a B3 in Route 66. I left the original song title as is but saved the patches etc. as JCNJV. I know then this song is using higher patches because JC means I customized it and NJV means turn down the volume on the JV1010 which is daisy chained to the Ketron. Some sets have the Ketron panned one way and the JV1010 the other if I am using only midi. To me this fattens and makes some sounds more interesting. I tend to keep a set where I use both, and when switching sets the other folder will have all NJV so I just lean over and kill the volume to the JV1010. Note that my keyboard is a Roland --Rogers with extra organ sounds and it is also jacked out the the powermixer and some sets have the Thru function disabled (or muted to 0) so that the keyboard plays through the mixer and the Ketron does the midi and the sound module does Realdrums and Realtracks. Seems complicated at first but in the end it works.
You SD2 manual should show you what patches you have, like the JV1010.
With the JV1010 you have the ability to put in a patch during the intro, I use a pop up box so the Ketron may be doing organ but the JV1010 is doing horns.
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Hi again Gary... Your suggestions yesterday really got me thinking... especially about the mixer. And so I did some searching and found this at my local music store here in Montreal. What do you think? Keep in mind that I'm not looking for professional sound here. I just do my recording for my own pleasure - my hobby you might say. I do all my music tracks in BIAB and RB. Most of my audio recording is of my voice, my own harmony and my rhythm accustic guitar. I do all of my recording on my computer while sitting in my office on my leather chair with mic or guitar in hand. I'm having fun - and that's all I'm looking for. I also found a mic that I may be interested in at the same store. It's a Shure dynamic mic ... not on the really high end but the price is right, and I'm guessing the name - Shure - is right as well, maybe being something that would serve my needs. Your input - or everybody's input would be greatly appreciated! Bobby
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I need your help: How does Ketron connect? I have its USB to my laptop, its RCA to my USB mixer, and my Roland controller USB to my laptop. Cakewalk is open and will record microphone from the mixer, but I get no instrument sounds. I don't grasp the MIDI path. My guess is: the controller sends (say) F# to Cakewalk, which enters F# on a MIDI track and sends F# to Ketron, which sends tone F# trumpet/whatever to the mixer, which lets me hear the result and which, when I'm ready to record the mix, will supply the audio for the audio tracks in Cakewalk. Please correct me or offer suggestions.
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Jim Welcome to the forum. You've revived a 6 year old thread? It's probably better to start a new thread after so much time First, you mentioned "I have its USB to my laptop, its RCA to my USB mixer, and my Roland controller USB to my laptop." Answer: The Ketron SD2 doesn't have a USB (at least my one doesn't) In simplistic terms, for my setup, I have a MIDI input going to the Ketron, and Audio out of the Ketron going to my mixer, then the Amp. You can use a USB to MIDI adapter such as the Roland UM-One. There are other ways also, but I think you need a USB to MIDI adapter in between My setup is actually more complex than this, but fundamentally, this describes it. Again, welcome to the neighborhood. Incidentally: I hope you're here for PG Music Forum team support. You should go to other sites for Cakewalk / Ketron support
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Me? I love the Ketron SD2. Here is how I do it: - Play my BiaB sequence through my SD2 via a USB->MIDI interface
- Route the SD2 audio back into my computer using a Audio->USB Interface. I find the quality/fidelity much better than using the microphone input in my computer
- Record using Power Tracks Pro Audio, keeping the meters occasionally going into the red, but never-ever clipping
- Do any editing while in PTPro (by this time usually none is needed) and possibly 'normalize'
- Export a WAV file from PTPro
- Use CDex to create a better quality mp3 file
The WAV file comes out sounding just like the SD2 output and if I use the right settings, the MP3 is almost as good as the WAV. Insights and incites by Notes
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