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Well, just in case anyone here thinks I am a 'gun fanatic' I am not. I don't go shooting for sport, don't own a ton of guns (just a couple in fact), and shoot them just enough to know they are working and keep myself comfortable with their use. I actually enjoy my bow much better! I am interested in the topic though, as I did learn things from this thread. Some of what I learned was numbers and some was getting an idea of how we are viewed from other places and their feelings on it. No hard feelings here. 
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here's another interesting link... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLsi0Ialvxkit is part 1 of 9, follow the series for the whole presentation. Don't give up on this too soon. It's pretty long, but it gets absolutely riveting toward the end. The boring stuff in the beginning establishes the credibility of this guys testimony. It is an interview from 1985 with an ex-kgb agent. He outlines what his job was in terms of undermining other governments during the cold war. The statements he makes in this interview are chilling. At the time of the interview in 1985, the things he was saying seemed crazy, but from today's perspective, it is evident that what he said is exactly what has happened. Part of the plan was gun control. Wonder why...?
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Hi Pat, Plenty of confused thinking here. 1/ I was simply responding to Bob’s quote: Quote:
So it all boils down to a group of people wanting to take the rights of another group of people away.”
As you can see, this is expressed in terms of rights and not choices. I replied in kind.
2/ RIGHTS are indeed guaranteed by law, but that is not at all the same as saying that a particular right – in this case the right to own firearms – is not open to discussion. Of course it is. That’s one of the things democracy is all about. Laws come and go. They change. What do you think your legislators do all day?
Even declarations of rights, and, yes, constitutions, change – precisely as a result of such debate. Look closely and you will find that the Right to Bear Arms is, itself, an amendment.
I’ll leave you to compile your own lists of rights that have been conferred, amended, or withdrawn over time by laws, or higher declarations, in response to changes in society, changes in public opinion. etc.
3/ (and here we digress a little) There are many schools of thought as to what the function of the law is, but they all focus, obviously enough, on determining what is and what is not legal. Determining penalties comes much later in the process.
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Plenty of confused thinking here.
I'd have to agree, but probably not in the same way you meant it
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So it all boils down to a group of people wanting to take the rights of another group of people away.”
As you can see, this is expressed in terms of rights and not choices. I replied in kind.
But that is not how I interpret Bob's comment, neither do I think that is how he intended it.
His point (I believe) is that the law currently allows both groups to have their respective choice. Every body *ought* to be happy, but that is not the case. Why? Because one group cannot be happy until the other group is forced to conform to the "no gun" choice, and the only way for that to happen is for one groups rights to be denied.
Most of the arguments here argue the LEGALITY of both choices... (and that is a fair discussion)
You argued the VALIDITY of the two choices, and that is not our argument at all...(though it *is* YOUR argument. In a nutshell, it seems to me that you believe your choice is superior to the other choice, and therefore the pro gun choice should be disallowed by law. And it is precisely this dictatorial approach to resolving issues that the conservative arguments resist.
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RIGHTS are indeed guaranteed by law, but that is not at all the same as saying that a particular right – in this case the right to own firearms – is not open to discussion. Of course it is. That’s one of the things democracy is all about. Laws come and go. They change. What do you think your legislators do all day?
except that the USA is not a democracy, it is a democratic republic. My point is to derail the part of the discussion that elevates personal opinion above law. If you get taken to court over an infraction, your opinion doesn't matter to the judge. It is settled by the law, period, there is no discussion.
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Even declarations of rights, and, yes, constitutions, change – precisely as a result of such debate. Look closely and you will find that the Right to Bear Arms is, itself, an amendment.
which is precisely why the citizens need to diligently remain involved in the political process so some slick-talking politician doesn't crawl in under the door and change everything.
("this is the greatest nation on earth.. help me change it!")
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There are many schools of thought as to what the function of the law is, but they all focus, obviously enough, on determining what is and what is not legal. Determining penalties comes much later in the process.
ultimately, all a law CAN do is declare a penalty. Without a penalty there may as well be no law. Unenforced laws don't change behavior. Many would argue that penalties don't either. But the only real difference between a traffic intersection that has a stop sign and one that doesn't is the penalty for driving through the intersection without stopping.
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By the way, I don't own a gun. But I support the right to own and bear arms.
I also choose not to smoke, but I support smoker's rights. To me the crux of all these discussions is that one point of view empowers everybody, and the other point of view seeks to remove rights from the other group.
Our national embarrassment is not in the guns, it is in the lack of enforcement due to politically incorrect reasoning.
After the psychologist in Ft Hood shot all thse people, the conservatives were all saying the obvious ways it could have been prevented. (The list is long. I won't elaborate because anybody with common sense doesn't need to see it, and anybody without common sense wouldn't believe it if they saw it)
Meanwhile, the other camp was saying things like
"it would have been wrong to profile him"
"he was misunderstood"
"people were mean to him"
"who would have ever guessed..?"
duh.
Liberty is only dangerous when responsibility is lacking
responsibility is enhanced by morality and the enforcement of laws
You can't eliminate one without affecting the other.
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I think a lot of people who don't live in the US get the wrong idea when they hear terms like "open carry" and "conceal and carry permits".
I have lived in an "open carry" state for the last 30 years. I have NEVER seen anyone openly carry a firearm. But it's legal if they do as long as they're not a felon.
I have a conceal and carry permit. The last time I "carried" was probably 4 years ago when I was riding my 4 wheeler in the woods. Most people I know who have the permit seldom, if ever, carry their firearm. So even the folks who legally can, seldom do, with some exceptions of course.
But the criminals don't know who is carrying and who isn't. If I knew I was going to be in a high crime area, I would exercise my right to conceal and carry.
It is nice that my son and I can take our firearms, load them into the car, drive to the shooting range, walk up to the stall next to a state trooper or county deputy, set down a satchel full of handguns and ammo, lay the rifles and shotguns down, and the only questions I get from the trooper or deputy is "how do you like that Smith & Wesson 38 Special? May I shoot it?"
I know this seems strange to a lot you that don't live in the US and even strange to some of you who do live here. But it's part of the American culture and our history. You don't have to agree with it. But don't villify those of us who choose to exercise our rights.
And by the way, I'm not "fascinated" with guns. I'm "fascinated" with guitars. If you want to see me get excited, pull out a 1942 Gibson L5 guitar! My eyes will light up like a Christmas tree! LOL.
Bob
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Pat, Quote:
But that is not how I interpret Bob's comment, neither do I think that is how he intended it.
His point (I believe) is that the law currently allows both groups to have their respective choice. Every body *ought* to be happy, but that is not the case. Why? Because one group cannot be happy until the other group is forced to conform to the "no gun" choice, and the only way for that to happen is for one groups rights to be denied.
You hit the nail right on the head! Nuff said.
Bob
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Pat, Quote:
So it all boils down to a group of people wanting to take the rights of another group of people away.”
As you can see, this is expressed in terms of rights and not choices. I replied in kind.
It would be dangerous if we started to second guess what other forum users meant.
I responded to the words actually written by Bob. If it turns out he actually meant something different, then of course my comment is invalid.
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His point (I believe) is that the law currently allows both groups to have their respective choice. Every body *ought* to be happy, but that is not the case.
Why? Because one group cannot be happy until the other group is forced to conform to the "no gun" choice, and the only way for that to happen is for one groups rights to be denied.
Again, you’re missing the point big time.
The citizen who does not wish to carry a gun and does not do so represents no sort of threat to the gun carrier. The reverse is not true for the reasons I listed above. (post #266720)
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it seems to me that you believe your choice is superior to the other choice, and therefore the pro gun choice should be disallowed by law.
I wouldn’t use loaded terms like ‘superior’ with its moral connotations. I would keep the debate to what is or is not effective in reducing unwanted violent deaths.
The stats quoted below show unequivocally and irrefutably that, in terms of intentional homicides, the USA is well over 3 times more dangerous than the UK.
What exactly is your argument? that without the private citizens’ right to bear arms you would not be at 5.4, per 100,000 but somewhere around the Mexican level (10) or higher perhaps?
You may be right, but to my way of thinking it is an argument which defies rationality.
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The comparative figures which interest us are as follows (homicides per 100,000 population)
USA: 5.4
Northern Ireland: 2.5
Scotland: 2.1
England and Wales: 1.4
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Canada: 1.8
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USA is not a democracy, it is a democratic republic.
I’m sorry, but you’ve lost me completely here.
‘Democracy’ means (very broadly) that it is the people who decide who they are governed by using some form of fair voting system. Surely, this applies to the US of A?
The only democratic republic I am aware of is the DRC, not much of a model for anyone!
I fully agree with you that if you have broken a law, any law, you can argue your opinion of said law until you are blue in the face. It will make no difference to the outcome of your legal process, and rightly so.
But this is not at all what was said, which was that no discussion should be permitted on this subject.
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which is precisely why the citizens need to diligently remain involved in the political process so some slick-talking politician doesn't crawl in under the door and change everything.
("this is the greatest nation on earth.. help me change it!")
But isn’t it the greatest nation on earth precisely because it changes to adapt to new circumstances and greater knowledge and enlightenment? Whether slick-talking or not, a politician will only be able to change the laws if he has been duly authorised to do so by the electors.
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But why do you care about our laws that don't affect you?
1/ ..because I’m curious. This is the first time I have heard it suggested here that there are issues which only forum members from a particular state should comment on.
2/..because the USA is the greatest nation on earth (see above). It is possible that I will visit the country as a tourist at some point, and if I do so, I would rather have a less than 5.4 in 100,000 chance of meeting a violent end there.
3/..I would welcome anyone and everyone’s views on both my native country (UK) and my adopted country (France)
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Nobody's mind has been changed in this thread.
Mine has – I feel I have a better understanding of why so many American citizens support this historically entrenched but ultimately counter-productive right.
If you’re mind is not altered by the weight of factual argument (US intentional homicides per 100,000 of the population vs. those in other western countries), then –I’m afraid for you anyway- there has been little point to the discussion.
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I have to say this is by far the best thread I've seen on this subject in many years. We used to have some bomb throwers who would crap all over something like this and kill it but this time it really is a good discussion among friends. Of course this is one of the top 2 or 3 most divisive issues around, yet there's a lot of good reasoned points being made so I just want to say, good job guys.
Nothing to do with music but it's a good diversion anyway.
Bob
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Alcohol and vehicles kill way more people in the US than firearms.
You can demonize me all ya want, I do not care, I cannot and will not give up my God-given right to be a free man.
And there is a period on the end of the above sentence.
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Mglinert,
I guess I’m going to “try” to do the same as Bob, (aka jazzmammal), and exit this thread.
It is humorous and enlightening to see people from other countries stick their noses into another countries business and get all worked about an issue that doesn’t concern them.
If you don’t like the laws of the USA, don’t come here. Don’t buy our products.
But don’t try to tell us how to live! You don’t understand being an American any more than I understand being from the UK or France.
The main reason that the USA exists is because they didn’t want foreign influence or domination. We still don’t want that. We never will. But we will always be the best ally you've ever had.
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There are many differences between the two countries, considering ...
Not just the gun issues, even things like the squatting that goes on there really intrigues me. How the problem is handled there, it seems like a lot of tolerance is required.. which can be commended on one side, but not understood at all on the other.
So I guess we will both look at each other from across the pond and watch the events unfold.
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Alcohol and vehicles kill way more people in the US than firearms.
Of course they do, Mac. Private swimming pools too, I think. But the point is this.
The primary purpose of a firearm is to shoot it at someone (or, perhaps, at something).
The primary person of the other killers is something very different in each case.
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You can demonize me all ya want, I do not care, I cannot and will not give up my God-given right to be a free man.
And there is a period on the end of the above sentence.
That’s fine with me, and very much as I suspected – we’re not dealing with rational argument here but something that goes far deeper.
I still don’t altogether see:
- how being able to shoot a small piece of metal at another human being is a synonym for freedom
- how a Right enshrined in an Act passed by the US Congress in 1791 was actually conferred by God
…but I’m working on it.
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mglinert, Quote:
I still don’t altogether see:
- how being able to shoot a small piece of metal at another human being is a synonym for freedom
- how a Right enshrined in an Act passed by the US Congress in 1791 was actually conferred by God
…but I’m working on it.
As long as you're "working on it", and not condemning something you don't understand because of cultural differences, then all is good.
Most Americans don't like being told what to do, even by our own government.
The Constitution and it's Amendments are meant to not only spell out the the rights of the citizens, but mainly to spell out the rights and limitations of the government.
Bob
P.S. By the way, I've never shot a small piece of metal at another human being. Neither have most people who own a gun.
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Thanks Bob, Quote:
It is humorous and enlightening to see people from other countries stick their noses into another countries business and get all worked about an issue that doesn’t concern them.
I’m sure the USA would never stick its nose into another country’s business!
But now is not the time to widen this thread further.
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Most Americans don't like being told what to do, even by our own government.
The Constitution and it's Amendments are meant to not only spell out the the rights of the citizens, but mainly to spell out the rights and limitations of the government.
That is a very important point, and one that give me plenty to think about. Thanks.
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If you don’t like the laws of the USA, don’t come here. Don’t buy our products.
Now that’s not very hospitable. I neither like nor dislike the laws of the USA.
My original intention was to report that this particular one seemed very strange to someone from a UK background (post #266341).
I knew nothing about the issue when I wrote that and next to nothing now.
However, what I have read suggests that this right is not only strange it is also counter-productive.
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But don’t try to tell us how to live!
I didn’t – and I'm sorry if you interpreted my comments in this way.
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You don’t understand being an American any more than I understand being from the UK or France.
Absolutely. Hence the value of this type of exchange.
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..we will always be the best ally you've ever had.
This is most definitely the case…and long may it continue.
Can we get back to the music now?
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mglinert, Quote:
Can we get back to the music now?
I actually have BIAB fired up in the background. It's been interrupted only by taking a break to participate in this exchange. LOL.
Bob
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Marc, I think one thing you don't grasp is what is called 'checks and balances' over here.
Whether you trust the government or not, our system was set up so that every part of the government has another part that has just enough power to keep it in check ( or prevent it from abuse). This is what checks and balances are. The constitution and amendments were written (a lot of us believe) to make sure the government could not step on the rights of individuals or states. One of the first things a government would do in order to opress its people would be to disarm them. So making that a basic right tends to keep that problem at bay.
Not trying to be silly, but what keeps the government of the UK from opressing its people at this point? If the government set militia on the streets and said you were all going to pay this tax and give up your homes? This is one of the things the right to bear arms guards against.I am not saying that is ever going to happen in either country, as I tend to believe people are good (in general) but a lot of history tells us otherwise. So we were given this right (and in a sense a responsibility) to be able to keep the government in check, be it state or federal, the constitution says we can not be forcibly disarmed as law abiding citizens.
I am sure accidental gun deaths are more common (obviously) when guns are around. There is a responsibility that goes along with gun ownership. However, in this country if the general public was unarmed, the criminals would not be. UK is an island with pretty port control. We have thousands of miles that border other countries, so illegal guns would be here within the hour of being outlawed. Just as we see weapons being found and used in crimes that are already outlawed (like automatic weapons, etc). Just another reason you will likely never see the gun control work here.
Edited because the window expired and it reverted to an earlier verion when I used the back button to try and post ..
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mglinert, Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you don’t like the laws of the USA, don’t come here. Don’t buy our products. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote:
Now that’s not very hospitable. I neither like nor dislike the laws of the USA.
That's not meant to be either "hospitable" nor "inhospitable". If I ever visit France, or Spain, or the UK, I won't try to tell them their Constitution is wrong. I may complain about the customs coming in, the food, or whatever, but I won't tell them the way they run thier country is wrong. I'll take it in and try to learn from it.
Nor will I expect them to cater to my American sensibilities or needs. I will be, after all, in THEIR country. As a visitor.
Bob
P.S. I probably won't complain about the food, because I love trying new dishes. Even if I don't like them! But odds are....I will like them. 
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..I would welcome anyone and everyone’s views on both my native country (UK) and my adopted country (France)
No problem Marc, I know the history of the Statue of Liberty and going back even further, if it wasn't for France, this country wouldn't even exist. There can be disagreements here and there but compared to the last 220 years or so, they're nothing. As for the Brits, of course we're still the closest allies in the world. And, I lived in Canada for 12 years and outside of the weather loved it. It's all good.
Bob
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the weather in Canada...NO HOW dare you LOL.
Interesting and good thread. Sober debate is good.
Funny no one jumped in on my analysis of where the gun crime is in the US.
On the other hand due to how the net works I'm not saying anything more than I have bows.
I have no animosity towards anyone who had another view. But it needs to be reasonable. Most people do not understand that most of the Canadians from 1760 to 1800 came from the US. The ran to Canada. Our biggest period of immigration. I'll let you figure that out. At the same time we had abolished slavery. And let those people into the country.
Some make fun of me when I repeat what people on this forum called us. A right wing canuck is a communist in many areas of the US. So be it.
I re-iterate that the US is becoming a fortress. OK, why?
I have been in a lot of bad situations, fallen through burning floors, down stairs to burning basements, flashovers, explosions, but I was the most scared in Flint Michigan, first due to the bad street I drove down, and second because the cops pulled multiple guns on me for running out of gas on I75. I almost pooed my pants. And 2 kids and the wife the car, got handcuffed and searched. Here the cop would have walked up and asked what was wrong. Just watch the show COPS, none of that happens here.
A step back is required. Sanity is sanity. OK so if we extract the gang bangers from the shooting things in Canada, 2 or 3 people die of gunshots every year. And a dozen with knives.
I know you don't believe me, but I don't have keys for my house. Until last year when I got new patio doors, 3 of the 4 doors didn't even lock.
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Purchase your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac during our special to save up to 50% off your upgrade purchase and receive a FREE BONUS PAK of amazing new Add-ons. These include the 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK, Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana, Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes, MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano, Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7, Playable RealTracks Set 4, RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark, and more!
Upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and add 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and 20 RealStyles, FLAC Files for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks, Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster, MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster, Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8, and RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe.
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs!
New RealTracks Released with Band-in-a-Box 2025!
We’ve expanded the Band-in-a-Box® RealTracks library with 202 incredible new RealTracks (in sets 449-467) across Jazz, Blues, Funk, World, Pop, Rock, Country, Americana, and Praise & Worship—featuring your most requested styles!
Jazz, Blues & World (Sets 449–455):
These RealTracks includes “Soul Jazz” with Neil Swainson (bass), Mike Clark (drums), Charles Treadway (organ), Miles Black (piano), and Brent Mason (guitar). Enjoy “Requested ’60s” jazz, classic acoustic blues with Colin Linden, and more of our popular 2-handed piano soloing. Plus, a RealTracks first—Tango with bandoneon, recorded in Argentina!
Rock & Pop (Sets 456–461):
This collection includes Disco, slap bass ‘70s/‘80s pop, modern and ‘80s metal with Andy Wood, and a unique “Songwriter Potpourri” featuring Chinese folk instruments, piano, banjo, and more. You’ll also find a muted electric guitar style (a RealTracks first!) and “Producer Layered Guitar” styles for slick "produced" sound.
Country, Americana & Praise (Sets 462–467):
We’ve added new RealTracks across bro country, Americana, praise & worship, vintage country, and songwriter piano. Highlights include Brent Mason (electric guitar), Eddie Bayers (drums), Doug Jernigan (pedal steel), John Jarvis (piano), Glen Duncan (banjo, mandolin & fiddle), Mike Harrison (electric bass) and more—offering everything from modern sounds to heartfelt Americana styles
Check out all the 202 New RealTracks (in sets 456-467)
And, if you are looking for more, the 2025 49-PAK (for $49) includes an additional 20 RealTracks with exciting new sounds and genre-spanning styles. Enjoy RealTracks firsts like Chinese instruments (guzheng & dizi), the bandoneon in an authentic Argentine tango trio, and the classic “tic-tac” baritone guitar for vintage country.
You’ll also get slick ’80s metal guitar from Andy Wood, modern metal with guitarist Nico Santora, bass player Nick Schendzielos, and drummer Aaron Stechauner, more praise & worship, indie-folk, modern/bro country with Brent Mason, and “Songwriter Americana” with Johnny Hiland.
Plus, enjoy user-requested styles like Soul Jazz RealDrums, fast Celtic Strathspey guitar, and Chill Hop piano & drums!
The 2025 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2025 49-PAK!
Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Mac!
With your version 2025 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons FREE! Or upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 33 new RealTracks and 65+ new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 29 new RealTracks and 45+ new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 20 new RealStyles.
- Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana
- Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano
- Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7
- Playable RealTracks Set 4
- RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark
- SynthMaster Sounds and Styles (with audio demos)
- 128 GM MIDI Patch Audio Demos.
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyles,
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster,
- Instrumental Studies Set 23: More '80s Hard Rock Soloing,
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster
- Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8
- RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®!
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Mac!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Mac!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Windows!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
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