Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread
Print Thread
Go To
Page 1 of 2 1 2
#172777 09/10/12 09:54 AM
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 15,944
PG Music Staff
OP Offline
PG Music Staff
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 15,944
MIDI SuperTracks FAQ


Q. What are MIDI SuperTracks?

Starting with Band-in-a-Box 2012.5, we’ve enhanced the MIDI style generation, by adding a new engine that generates MIDI SuperTracks. Instead of MIDI styles based on C7 chord patterns that get repeated over every chord, the MIDI SuperTracks are based on actual playing by studio musicians. Play the SuperTracks using your MIDI synth, or favorite VST plug-ins to get a great sound using MIDI. With Band-in-a-Box 2012.5, we include 3 new MIDI SuperTracks sets (Pop/Country and Jazz) with piano, organ, and bass MIDI SuperTracks – 46 MIDI SuperTracks in all.

MIDI SuperTracks are MIDI tracks that can be added to a track or a style, and play like other MIDI tracks in a style. They are called “SuperTracks” because they are generated using a different engine than typical MIDI style tracks. Typical MIDI style tracks are generated from C7 patterns in the style, and repeat these patterns over any chord. MIDI SuperTracks use actual MIDI playing from musicians (similar to RealTracks in that regard), so are not based on patterns.


Q. Are MIDI SuperTracks available for all instruments?

We have released 46 MIDI SuperTracks so far (with version 2012.5), and they are for piano, bass, and synth pad/strings. So they aren't available for all instruments. You can mix n match them with other instruments in styles, either with MIDI drums, guitars, or RealTracks drums, guitar (or any instruments).


Q. Can you edit them like any MIDI track?

Yes, and this includes editing them within Band-in-a-Box, or exporting them as MIDI files to your DAW (Sonar, Logic etc.)

Q. Can I change instrument patches, or use a custom synth on these tracks?
Yes. For example, you can change the piano patch to a clav, or the acoustic bass to electric bass. Also, you can use any synth, or a soft synth (e.g. VST plugin on Windows) to hear the MIDI SuperTracks playing through your synth. Anything you can do with a standard MIDI track can be done with the MIDI SuperTracks.

Q. What styles are provided with the MIDI SuperTracks?

All of the styles that we release that have any MIDI SuperTracks are named starting with "M_" These styles have 1 or 2 MIDI SuperTracks, mixed in with other MIDI or RealTracks for other instruments. The Memo in the StylePicker will tell you if the style uses some or all MIDI SuperTracks.

For example M_JAZBAL is a Jazz Ballad style, with a MIDI SuperTracks for bass and piano. The drums for this style are RealDrums, or if you disable RealDrums you will hear a MIDI Drum style (as with previous MIDI styles). As noted, we don't have MIDI SuperTracks for drums. Another example is "M_BZ128P.sty Slow 12/8 Blues Solo Acoustic Piano 60 MST". This is a solo piano, so is entirely MIDI SuperTracks.


So most of the styles have 1 or 2 MIDI SuperTracks, mixed in with RealTracks or other MIDI tracks. Some of them are entirely MIDI SuperTracks - these would be bass and piano styles. If you want MIDI Drums, disable the RealDrums.

Q. Do the MIDI SuperTracks sound better than the older MIDI tracks?

Yes. The older MIDI tracks are based on C7 patterns, whereas the new ones use a completely different algorithm and engine, not based on C7, but based on actual playing by top studio musicians. Since you can also see (and print) notation, you can also learn from these tracks, as you see what studio musicians have played, rather than learning from a computer generated part. Also, the MIDI SuperTracks play differently in different keys, and over different chord types, not just transposing and mapping patterns like the old styles do.

Q. Where can I hear MIDI SuperTracks demos?
There are demos here http://www.pgmusic.com/addons.supertracks.php?os=win and a video here (click on Band-in-a-Box 2012.5 video http://www.pgmusic.com/bbwin.demos.htm )


Have Fun!
Peter Gannon
PG Music Inc.
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 12,772
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 12,772
Great summary, Peter!


John

Laptop-HP Omen I7 Win11Pro 32GB 8TB SSD
Desktop-ASUS-I7 Win10Pro 32GB 11TB SATA

BB2026/UMC204HD&404HD/Casios/Cakewalk/Reaper/Studio One/Notion/Dorico/Noteworthy/NI/Halion/IK

http://www.sus4chord.com (under rehosting and construction)
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 2,445
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 2,445
.. and a great concept, too!


Cheers,
Keith
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 7,697
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 7,697
Also, the MIDI SuperTracks play differently in different keys, and over different chord types, not just transposing and mapping patterns like the old styles do.

This is what I've heard but never actually analyzed it. This is a big deal, it's what really makes the track sound live.

Bob


Biab/RB latest build, Win 11 Pro, Ryzen 5 5600 G, 512 Gig SSD, 16 Gigs Ram, Steinberg UR22 MkII, Roland Sonic Cell, Kurzweil PC3, Hammond SK1, Korg PA3XPro, Garritan JABB, Hypercanvas, Sampletank 3, more.
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 2,250
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 2,250
Not being from the USA and not having a Jazz or musical theory background, what are C7 chords? I assume it means some kind of sequence or variation and not just the chord of C7.
Ian


Old Guys Rule.The older I get,the better I was!
BB2023 ULTRA, 1013, Win 7 and 10

ALL TRACKS - https://app.box.com/s/501rnzrbadng1elvi45hbf7y08kl5oxp
SOUNDCLOUD-tracks using BB-
http://soundcloud.com/sixchannel
Videos-
https://youtube.com/user/Sixchannel1
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,259
Expert
Offline
Expert
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,259
This is the wrong thread for your question, but....

C7 = C+E+G+Bb (dominant 7th)
= 1,3,5,7

Has nothing to do with being from the USA


Cornet Curmudgeon
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502
M
Mac Offline
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
M
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502
The older MIDI based styles used a "map to C7" routine, much like many musicians, okay, maybe Pianists, think when they are transposing to a different key. \

Let's say, for example, you wanted to play a song that you can easily play in C, but now want to play it in G. Well, any C note would become a G note, any D would become an A, etc.

I think there's a little more to it than that "under the hood" though, what with software, algorithms, that sort of thing, but the mapping to C7 is a major part of rolling your own style, said the man who once forgot to do that routine when trying to make his own style...

Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 260
R
Apprentice
Offline
Apprentice
R
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 260
Hi,
may have been answered elsewhere, but can one actually create their own midi super tracks, or only edit the existing ones?


best wishes
rikki

BIAB 2025
Korg PA5X
Yamaha sx900
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 20,199
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 20,199
Hi rikki,

As far as I'm aware, it's only possible to edit the existing ones. PG Music have not yet provided any information on how to go about creating one's own.

Regards,
Noel


MY SONGS...
Audiophile BIAB 2025
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 260
R
Apprentice
Offline
Apprentice
R
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 260
Hi Noel,
thank you.
Maybe one day.
They sound interesting , though, might do a bit of checking out of the editing options.


best wishes
rikki

BIAB 2025
Korg PA5X
Yamaha sx900
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 264
H
Apprentice
Offline
Apprentice
H
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 264
+1 to Rikki's question about creating our own midi super tracks. I would love to know if this can be done??? And if it is something that you plan to enable, please could you enable it for the Mac version!


paul


Paul Wolfe
how to play bass...learning songs, not scales!
http://www.how-to-play-bass.com
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 264
H
Apprentice
Offline
Apprentice
H
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 264
Originally Posted By: Shastastan
This is the wrong thread for your question, but....

C7 = C+E+G+Bb (dominant 7th)
= 1,3,5,7

Has nothing to do with being from the USA


Technically you're not correct. The notes are right, but the Bb is not a 7, it's a flat 7 (or b7). Might sound pedantic but you might confuse some people who are learning basic chord theory.


Paul Wolfe
how to play bass...learning songs, not scales!
http://www.how-to-play-bass.com
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502
M
Mac Offline
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
M
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502
It is a rather common convention that just saying "7" means the Dominant 7.

While that may confuse a noob, it would be more confusing later on for them not to learn that from the gitgo.

--Mac

Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 8,106
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 8,106
the whole concept of MIDI super tracks reminds me that while we users typically request the addition of features that already exist in other programs, PGMusic is busy improving everything that's unique about their paradigm.

I'm glad they have a plan and that they continually implement it with each new release.

Things like elastique, MIDI super tracks, Real Tracks, Real Drums all came about when nobody was asking for them, and they are all on my personal "BEST ADDITIONS EVER" list

My hat is off to everybody at PGMusic... your ability to look ahead and see what will be cool and useful tomorrow... then create it... is why you have such an amazing and unique set of products

Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 1
T
TCB Offline
Newbie
Offline
Newbie
T
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 1
Will midi super tracks work with pro tools 10 which uses RTAS and AAX plugins instead of VST. My assumption for now is that any midi event could be played that is imported over to pro tools, I would just play them thru what synths are in pro tools is this correct?

Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 600
Journeyman
Offline
Journeyman
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 600
thats what I do.


Dell 610 dual Monitor, win 7-10, Sonar Plat, ProTools 10 & 11, Reaper 4, BIAB/real Band 2022, Easy Drummer, Superior Drummer, Kontact Essentials, Personnel Orchestra, Korg Legacy Analog & Digital
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 4
Newbie
Offline
Newbie
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 4
Where is BIAB 2013.5 or will it be BIAB 2013.75?

Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 216
Apprentice
Offline
Apprentice
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 216
Seeing that supertracks are played by musicians, do they maintain the "human feel" or are they quantized to a grid?


Frank

Some tunes from me and my collaborator: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvGqM6ktMW5ltTnyit1KWPg/videos


Band-in-a-Box Ultrapak 2019, Windows 11, Reaper, Behringer u-phoria UMC404HD, Kali LP-8
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 12,652
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 12,652
I think this picture will confirm to you the answer to your question. MSTs are the sizzle...

Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in)
MST not Quantized.JPG (221.31 KB, 116 downloads)

BIAB – 2026, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, Motu Audio Express 6x6 - My SoundCloud.

Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 24,020
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 24,020
Originally Posted By: Frankp
Seeing that supertracks are played by musicians, do they maintain the "human feel" or are they quantized to a grid?


Supertracks are not quantized thus yes they do maintain the "human feel". IMHO all MIDI tracks should be non-quantized.


It takes courage for a man to admit his wife was wrong.

64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Go To
Page 1 of 2 1 2

Link Copied to Clipboard
ChatPG

Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.

ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.

PG Music News
Band-in-a-Box 2026 Video: AI Stems & Notes - split polyphonic audio into instruments and transcribe

This video demonstrates how to use the new AI-Notes feature together with the AI-Stems splitter, allowing you to select an audio file and have it separated into individual stems while transcribing each one to its own MIDI track. AI-Notes converts polyphonic audio—either full mixes or individual instruments—into MIDI that you can view in notation or play back instantly.

Watch the video.

You can see all the 2026 videos on our forum!

Bonus PAK and 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®

With your version 2026 for Windows Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons for FREE! Or upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!

These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!

This Free Bonus PAK includes:

  • The 2026 RealCombos Booster PAK: -For Pro customers, this includes 27 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles. -For MegaPAK customers, this includes 25 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles. -For UltraPAK customers, this includes 12 new RealStyles.
  • MIDI Styles Set 92: Look Ma! More MIDI 15: Latin Jazz
  • MIDI SuperTracks Set 46: Piano & Organ
  • Instrumental Studies Set 24: Groovin' Blues Soloing
  • Artist Performance Set 19: Songs with Vocals 9
  • Playable RealTracks Set 5
  • RealDrums Stems Set 9: Cool Brushes
  • SynthMaster Sounds Set 1 (with audio demos)
  • Android Band-in-a-Box® App (included)

Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:


  • 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyle.
  • FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
  • MIDI Styles Set 93: Look Ma! More MIDI 16: SynthMaster
  • MIDI SuperTracks Set 47: More SynthMaster
  • Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
  • Artist Performance Set 20: Songs with Vocals 10
  • RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
  • SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)

Learn more about the Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®!

Video: New User Interface (GUI)

Join Tobin as he takes you on a tour of the new user interface in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®! This modern GUI redesign offers a sleek new look with updated toolbars, refreshed windows, and a smoother workflow. The brand-new side toolbar puts track selection, the MultiPicker Library, and other essential tools right at your fingertips. Plus, our upgraded Multi-View lets you layer multiple windows without overlap, giving you a highly flexible workspace. Many windows—including Tracks, Piano Roll, and more—have been redesigned for improved usability and a cleaner, more intuitive interface, and more!

Watch the video.

You can see all the 2026 videos on our forum!

Introducing XPro Styles PAK 10 – Now Available for Windows Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!

We've just released XPro Styles PAK 10 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 28 RealTracks and RealDrums!

Few things are certain in life: death, taxes, and a brand spankin’ new XPro Styles PAK! In this, the 10th edition of our XPro Styles PAK series, we’ve got 100 styles coming your way! We have the classic 25 styles each from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, and rounding out this volume's wildcard slot is 25 styles in the Praise & Worship genre! A wide spanning genre, you can find everything from rock, folk, country, and more underneath its umbrella. The included 28 RealTracks and RealDrums can be used with any Band-in-a-Box® 2026 (and higher) package.

Here’s just a small sampling of what you can look forward to in XPro Styles PAK 10: Soft indie folk worship songs, bumpin’ country boogies, gospel praise breaks, hard rockin’ pop, funky disco grooves, smooth Latin jazz pop, bossa nova fusion, western swing, alternative hip-hop, cool country funk, and much more!

Special offers until December 31st, 2025!

All the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 10 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.

Video: XPro Styles PAK 10 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.

Introducing Xtra Styles PAK 21 – Now Available for Windows Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!

Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!

We're excited to bring you our latest Xtra Styles PAK installment—the all new Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher)!

Rejoice, one and all, for Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box® is here! We’re serving up 200 brand spankin’ new styles to delight your musical taste buds! The first three courses are the classics you’ve come to know and love, including offerings from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, but, not to be outdone, this year’s fourth course is bro country! A wide ranging genre, you can find everything from hip-hop, uptempo outlaw country, hard hitting rock, funk, and even electronica, all with that familiar bro country flair. The dinner bell has been rung, pickup up Xtra Styles PAK 21 today!

In this PAK you’ll discover: Energetic folk rock, raucous train beats, fast country boogies, acid jazz grooves, laid-back funky jams, a bevy of breezy jazz waltzes, calm electro funk, indie synth pop, industrial synth metal, and more bro country than could possibly fit in the back of a pickup truck!

Special offers until December 31st, 2025!

All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 21 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 21 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 21.

Video: Xtra Styles PAK 21 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 21 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.

Introducing XPro Styles PAK 10 – Now Available for Mac Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!

We've just released XPro Styles PAK 10 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 28 RealTracks and RealDrums!

Few things are certain in life: death, taxes, and a brand spankin’ new XPro Styles PAK! In this, the 10th edition of our XPro Styles PAK series, we’ve got 100 styles coming your way! We have the classic 25 styles each from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, and rounding out this volume's wildcard slot is 25 styles in the Praise & Worship genre! A wide spanning genre, you can find everything from rock, folk, country, and more underneath its umbrella. The included 28 RealTracks and RealDrums can be used with any Band-in-a-Box® 2026 (and higher) package.

Here’s just a small sampling of what you can look forward to in XPro Styles PAK 10: Soft indie folk worship songs, bumpin’ country boogies, gospel praise breaks, hard rockin’ pop, funky disco grooves, smooth Latin jazz pop, bossa nova fusion, western swing, alternative hip-hop, cool country funk, and much more!

Special offers until December 31st, 2025!

All the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 10 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.

Video: XPro Styles PAK 10 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.

Introducing Xtra Styles PAK 21 – Now Available for Mac Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!

Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!

We're excited to bring you our latest Xtra Styles PAK installment—the all new Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher)!

Rejoice, one and all, for Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box® is here! We’re serving up 200 brand spankin’ new styles to delight your musical taste buds! The first three courses are the classics you’ve come to know and love, including offerings from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, but, not to be outdone, this year’s fourth course is bro country! A wide ranging genre, you can find everything from hip-hop, uptempo outlaw country, hard hitting rock, funk, and even electronica, all with that familiar bro country flair. The dinner bell has been rung, pickup up Xtra Styles PAK 21 today!

In this PAK you’ll discover: Energetic folk rock, raucous train beats, fast country boogies, acid jazz grooves, laid-back funky jams, a bevy of breezy jazz waltzes, calm electro funk, indie synth pop, industrial synth metal, and more bro country than could possibly fit in the back of a pickup truck!

Special offers until December 31st, 2025!

All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 21 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 21 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 21.

Video: Xtra Styles PAK 21 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 21 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.

Forum Statistics
Forums57
Topics85,294
Posts790,645
Members39,855
Most Online25,754
Jan 24th, 2025
Newest Members
StratMan1965, CPIA2002, janhardo, Minstrel, Deb D
39,854 Registered Users
Top Posters(30 Days)
jpettit 321
MarioD 217
DrDan 214
Noel96 163
DC Ron 145
Rob Helms 127
Today's Birthdays
Kara Music Production, Алик
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5