Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread
Print Thread
Go To
Page 1 of 2 1 2
#172777 09/10/12 10:54 AM
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 15,831
PG Music Staff
OP Offline
PG Music Staff
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 15,831
MIDI SuperTracks FAQ


Q. What are MIDI SuperTracks?

Starting with Band-in-a-Box 2012.5, we’ve enhanced the MIDI style generation, by adding a new engine that generates MIDI SuperTracks. Instead of MIDI styles based on C7 chord patterns that get repeated over every chord, the MIDI SuperTracks are based on actual playing by studio musicians. Play the SuperTracks using your MIDI synth, or favorite VST plug-ins to get a great sound using MIDI. With Band-in-a-Box 2012.5, we include 3 new MIDI SuperTracks sets (Pop/Country and Jazz) with piano, organ, and bass MIDI SuperTracks – 46 MIDI SuperTracks in all.

MIDI SuperTracks are MIDI tracks that can be added to a track or a style, and play like other MIDI tracks in a style. They are called “SuperTracks” because they are generated using a different engine than typical MIDI style tracks. Typical MIDI style tracks are generated from C7 patterns in the style, and repeat these patterns over any chord. MIDI SuperTracks use actual MIDI playing from musicians (similar to RealTracks in that regard), so are not based on patterns.


Q. Are MIDI SuperTracks available for all instruments?

We have released 46 MIDI SuperTracks so far (with version 2012.5), and they are for piano, bass, and synth pad/strings. So they aren't available for all instruments. You can mix n match them with other instruments in styles, either with MIDI drums, guitars, or RealTracks drums, guitar (or any instruments).


Q. Can you edit them like any MIDI track?

Yes, and this includes editing them within Band-in-a-Box, or exporting them as MIDI files to your DAW (Sonar, Logic etc.)

Q. Can I change instrument patches, or use a custom synth on these tracks?
Yes. For example, you can change the piano patch to a clav, or the acoustic bass to electric bass. Also, you can use any synth, or a soft synth (e.g. VST plugin on Windows) to hear the MIDI SuperTracks playing through your synth. Anything you can do with a standard MIDI track can be done with the MIDI SuperTracks.

Q. What styles are provided with the MIDI SuperTracks?

All of the styles that we release that have any MIDI SuperTracks are named starting with "M_" These styles have 1 or 2 MIDI SuperTracks, mixed in with other MIDI or RealTracks for other instruments. The Memo in the StylePicker will tell you if the style uses some or all MIDI SuperTracks.

For example M_JAZBAL is a Jazz Ballad style, with a MIDI SuperTracks for bass and piano. The drums for this style are RealDrums, or if you disable RealDrums you will hear a MIDI Drum style (as with previous MIDI styles). As noted, we don't have MIDI SuperTracks for drums. Another example is "M_BZ128P.sty Slow 12/8 Blues Solo Acoustic Piano 60 MST". This is a solo piano, so is entirely MIDI SuperTracks.


So most of the styles have 1 or 2 MIDI SuperTracks, mixed in with RealTracks or other MIDI tracks. Some of them are entirely MIDI SuperTracks - these would be bass and piano styles. If you want MIDI Drums, disable the RealDrums.

Q. Do the MIDI SuperTracks sound better than the older MIDI tracks?

Yes. The older MIDI tracks are based on C7 patterns, whereas the new ones use a completely different algorithm and engine, not based on C7, but based on actual playing by top studio musicians. Since you can also see (and print) notation, you can also learn from these tracks, as you see what studio musicians have played, rather than learning from a computer generated part. Also, the MIDI SuperTracks play differently in different keys, and over different chord types, not just transposing and mapping patterns like the old styles do.

Q. Where can I hear MIDI SuperTracks demos?
There are demos here http://www.pgmusic.com/addons.supertracks.php?os=win and a video here (click on Band-in-a-Box 2012.5 video http://www.pgmusic.com/bbwin.demos.htm )


Have Fun!
Peter Gannon
PG Music Inc.
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 12,672
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 12,672
Great summary, Peter!


John

Laptop-HP Omen I7 Win11Pro 32GB 2x2TB, 1x4TB SSD
Desktop-ASUS-I7 Win10Pro 32GB 2x1.5TB, 2x2TB, 1x4TB SATA

BB2025/UMC404HD/Casios/Cakewalk/Reaper/Studio One/MixBus/Notion/Finale/Dorico/Noteworthy/NI/Halion/IK

http://www.sus4chord.com
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 2,444
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 2,444
.. and a great concept, too!


Cheers,
Keith
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 7,693
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 7,693
Also, the MIDI SuperTracks play differently in different keys, and over different chord types, not just transposing and mapping patterns like the old styles do.

This is what I've heard but never actually analyzed it. This is a big deal, it's what really makes the track sound live.

Bob


Biab/RB latest build, Win 11 Pro, Ryzen 5 5600 G, 512 Gig SSD, 16 Gigs Ram, Steinberg UR22 MkII, Roland Sonic Cell, Kurzweil PC3, Hammond SK1, Korg PA3XPro, Garritan JABB, Hypercanvas, Sampletank 3, more.
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 2,250
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 2,250
Not being from the USA and not having a Jazz or musical theory background, what are C7 chords? I assume it means some kind of sequence or variation and not just the chord of C7.
Ian


Old Guys Rule.The older I get,the better I was!
BB2023 ULTRA, 1013, Win 7 and 10

ALL TRACKS - https://app.box.com/s/501rnzrbadng1elvi45hbf7y08kl5oxp
SOUNDCLOUD-tracks using BB-
http://soundcloud.com/sixchannel
Videos-
https://youtube.com/user/Sixchannel1
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,259
Expert
Offline
Expert
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,259
This is the wrong thread for your question, but....

C7 = C+E+G+Bb (dominant 7th)
= 1,3,5,7

Has nothing to do with being from the USA


Cornet Curmudgeon
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502
M
Mac Offline
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
M
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502
The older MIDI based styles used a "map to C7" routine, much like many musicians, okay, maybe Pianists, think when they are transposing to a different key. \

Let's say, for example, you wanted to play a song that you can easily play in C, but now want to play it in G. Well, any C note would become a G note, any D would become an A, etc.

I think there's a little more to it than that "under the hood" though, what with software, algorithms, that sort of thing, but the mapping to C7 is a major part of rolling your own style, said the man who once forgot to do that routine when trying to make his own style...

Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 260
R
Apprentice
Offline
Apprentice
R
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 260
Hi,
may have been answered elsewhere, but can one actually create their own midi super tracks, or only edit the existing ones?


best wishes
rikki

BIAB 2025
Korg PA5X
Yamaha sx900
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 19,832
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 19,832
Hi rikki,

As far as I'm aware, it's only possible to edit the existing ones. PG Music have not yet provided any information on how to go about creating one's own.

Regards,
Noel


MY SONGS...
Audiophile BIAB 2025
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 260
R
Apprentice
Offline
Apprentice
R
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 260
Hi Noel,
thank you.
Maybe one day.
They sound interesting , though, might do a bit of checking out of the editing options.


best wishes
rikki

BIAB 2025
Korg PA5X
Yamaha sx900
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 264
H
Apprentice
Offline
Apprentice
H
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 264
+1 to Rikki's question about creating our own midi super tracks. I would love to know if this can be done??? And if it is something that you plan to enable, please could you enable it for the Mac version!


paul


Paul Wolfe
how to play bass...learning songs, not scales!
http://www.how-to-play-bass.com
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 264
H
Apprentice
Offline
Apprentice
H
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 264
Originally Posted By: Shastastan
This is the wrong thread for your question, but....

C7 = C+E+G+Bb (dominant 7th)
= 1,3,5,7

Has nothing to do with being from the USA


Technically you're not correct. The notes are right, but the Bb is not a 7, it's a flat 7 (or b7). Might sound pedantic but you might confuse some people who are learning basic chord theory.


Paul Wolfe
how to play bass...learning songs, not scales!
http://www.how-to-play-bass.com
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502
M
Mac Offline
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
M
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502
It is a rather common convention that just saying "7" means the Dominant 7.

While that may confuse a noob, it would be more confusing later on for them not to learn that from the gitgo.

--Mac

Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 8,075
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 8,075
the whole concept of MIDI super tracks reminds me that while we users typically request the addition of features that already exist in other programs, PGMusic is busy improving everything that's unique about their paradigm.

I'm glad they have a plan and that they continually implement it with each new release.

Things like elastique, MIDI super tracks, Real Tracks, Real Drums all came about when nobody was asking for them, and they are all on my personal "BEST ADDITIONS EVER" list

My hat is off to everybody at PGMusic... your ability to look ahead and see what will be cool and useful tomorrow... then create it... is why you have such an amazing and unique set of products

Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 1
T
TCB Offline
Newbie
Offline
Newbie
T
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 1
Will midi super tracks work with pro tools 10 which uses RTAS and AAX plugins instead of VST. My assumption for now is that any midi event could be played that is imported over to pro tools, I would just play them thru what synths are in pro tools is this correct?

Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 600
Journeyman
Offline
Journeyman
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 600
thats what I do.


Dell 610 dual Monitor, win 7-10, Sonar Plat, ProTools 10 & 11, Reaper 4, BIAB/real Band 2022, Easy Drummer, Superior Drummer, Kontact Essentials, Personnel Orchestra, Korg Legacy Analog & Digital
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 4
Newbie
Offline
Newbie
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 4
Where is BIAB 2013.5 or will it be BIAB 2013.75?

Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 216
Apprentice
Offline
Apprentice
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 216
Seeing that supertracks are played by musicians, do they maintain the "human feel" or are they quantized to a grid?


Frank

Some tunes from me and my collaborator: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvGqM6ktMW5ltTnyit1KWPg/videos


Band-in-a-Box Ultrapak 2019, Windows 11, Reaper, Behringer u-phoria UMC404HD, Kali LP-8
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 12,233
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 12,233
I think this picture will confirm to you the answer to your question. MSTs are the sizzle...

Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in)
MST not Quantized.JPG (221.31 KB, 116 downloads)

BIAB – 2025, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, 1TB WD Black NVMe SSD, 2TB WDC Blue SSD, 1TB WD Blue, 2 TB SK NVMe, 6 TB External, Motu Audio Express 6x6

Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 23,219
Veteran
Online Content
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 23,219
Originally Posted By: Frankp
Seeing that supertracks are played by musicians, do they maintain the "human feel" or are they quantized to a grid?


Supertracks are not quantized thus yes they do maintain the "human feel". IMHO all MIDI tracks should be non-quantized.


Whenever I get something stuck in the back of my throat, I dislodge it by drinking a beer.
It's called the Heineken Maneuver.

64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Go To
Page 1 of 2 1 2

Link Copied to Clipboard
ChatPG

Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.

ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.

PG Music News
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: VST3 Plugin Support

Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® now includes support for VST3 plugins, alongside VST and AU. Use them with MIDI or audio tracks for even more creative possibilities in your music production.

Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Macs®: VST3 Plugin Support

Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: Using VST3 Plugins

Join the conversation on our forum.

Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Mac Videos

With the release of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac, we’re rolling out a collection of brand-new videos on our YouTube channel. We’ll also keep this forum post updated so you can easily find all the latest videos in one convenient spot.

From overviews of new features and walkthroughs of the 202 new RealTracks, to highlights of XPro Styles PAK 8, Xtra Styles PAKs 18, the 2025 49-PAK, and in-depth tutorials — you’ll find everything you need to explore what’s new in Band-in-a-Box® 2025.

Reference this forum post for One-Stop Shopping of our Band-in-a-Box® 2025 Mac Videos — we’ll be adding more videos as they’re released!

Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Mac is Here!

Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac is here, packed with major new features and an incredible collection of available new content! This includes 202 RealTracks (in Sets 449-467), plus 20 bonus Unreleased RealTracks in the 2025 49-PAK. There are new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 4, two new sets of “RealDrums Stems,” XPro Styles PAK 8, Xtra Styles PAK 19, and more!

Special Offers
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac with savings of up to 50% on most upgrade packages during our special—available until July 31, 2025! Visit our Band-in-a-Box® packages page for all the purchase options available.

2025 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK Add-ons
We've packed our Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK with some incredible Add-ons! The Free Bonus PAK is automatically included with most Band-in-a-Box® for Mac 2025 packages, but for even more Add-ons (including 20 Unreleased RealTracks!) upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for only $49. You can see the full lists of items in each package, and listen to demos here.

If you have any questions, feel free to connect with us directly—we’re here to help!

Band-in-a-Box 2025 Italian Version is Here!

Cari amici
È stata aggerate la versione in Italiano del programma più amato dagli appassionati di musica, il nostro Band-in-a-Box.
Questo è il link alla nuova versione 2025.

Di seguito i link per scaricare il pacchetti di lingua italiana aggiornati per Band-in-a-Box e RealBand, anche per chi avesse già comprato la nuova versione in inglese.

Band-in-a-Box 2025 - Italiano
RealBand 2025 - Italiano

Band-in-a-Box 2025 French Version is Here!

Bonjour à tous,

Band-in-a-Box® 2025 pour Windows est disponible en Français.
Le téléchargement se fait à partir du site PG Music

Pour ceux qui auraient déjà acheté la version 2025 de Band-in-a-Box (et qui donc ont une version anglaise), il est possible de "franciser" cette version avec les patchs suivants:

BIAB 2025 - francisation
RealBand 2025 - francisation

Voilà, enjoy!

Band-in-a-Box 2025 German Version is Here!

Band-in-a-Box 2025 für Windows Deutsch ist verfügbar!

Die deutsche Version Band-in-a-Box® 2025 für Windows ist ab sofort verfügbar!

Alle die bereits die englische Version von Band-in-a-Box und RealBand 2024 installiert haben, finden hier die Installationsdateien für das Sprachenupdate:

https://nn.pgmusic.com/pgfiles/languagesupport/deutsch2025.exe
https://nn.pgmusic.com/pgfiles/languagesupport/deutsch2025RB.exe

Update Your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 to Build 1128 for Windows Today!

Already using Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Windows®? Download Build 1128 now from our Support Page to enjoy the latest enhancements and improvements from our team.

Stay up to date—get the latest update now!

Forum Statistics
Forums58
Topics84,313
Posts777,619
Members39,617
Most Online25,754
Jan 24th, 2025
Newest Members
Floyd17230, JerryL, kottke, kaleu, Claudio Paolini
39,616 Registered Users
Top Posters(30 Days)
MarioD 141
zedd 107
DC Ron 103
rsdean 94
WaoBand 90
nonchai 85
Today's Birthdays
oublaj
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5